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At least he left you a trust fund.


actually he didn't .. but it is none of your business any way


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Well too bad you can't vote in the referendum. It is going down. They never saved a nickel for it and they want the taxpayers to foot the bill. It loses hard.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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We'll see .. my prediction is that common sense will prevail and the referendum will be approved.


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We'll see .. my prediction is that common sense will prevail and the referendum will be approved.


there is no common sense based on fear mongering.....bad foundation


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

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there is no common sense based on fear mongering.....bad foundation


the only "fear mongering" is coming from the NNTP ----  the Pro-Expansion side is just presenting the case in favor AND telling the truth in the process.      The NNTP is lying - as usual - trying to make it sound like the project is to build a palatial palace.


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State law does not allow towns to provide their residents with fire protection as a municipal function. Instead, fire protection is provided either by a fire district or through creation of a fire protection district.

What is a fire district?
A fire district is a separate unit of local government that is established for the purpose of providing fire protection and response to emergencies. A fire district need not have its own firefighters or equipment; it can contract with a neighboring municipality or district.
Fire districts are not necessarily coterminous with towns. They may span several towns or portions of towns, and a town may contain parts of multiple fire districts. In addition, the governing boards of one or more towns and one or more villages may form a joint fire district. If a joint district is formed, the municipal governing boards must adopt a local law dissolving any existing fire, fire alarm or fire protection districts contained within the joint fire district. A fire district is created, extended, or dissolved by a town board. However, such changes must be at the request of a majority of the fire district commissioners or land-owning resident taxpayers of the district, and is subject to permissive referendum. Details on how such changes may occur are in the Department of State’s publication on fire protection consolidation.
A fire district is overseen by an elected board of commissioners composed of five members serving five year terms. (The fire commissioners in joint fire districts may be elected or appointed.) The Office of the State Comptroller (OSC) reports that there are 867 fire districts, an increase of 20 districts in the past 20 years. The commissioners appoint the members of the fire companies within the fire district, and may provide for the removal of those members for cause. They also organize, operate, maintain and equip fire companies.
Who elects fire commissioners?
The residents of a fire district who are registered to vote may cast their ballot for commissioners in a fire district election which is held the second Tuesday of December (with limited exception). Unfortunately, few people other than friends and families of firefighters cast votes in fire district elections.
In the spring of 2007, Commission staff conducted an informal survey of participation in 2006 fire district elections. They sampled 20 town clerks in 17 counties whose jurisdictions included 62 fire districts and found that over 25% of those fire districts failed to file election results with the clerks. Of those reporting, it was found that most had fewer than 100 people voting, and in 18 out of 44 districts fewer than 50 people cast votes.
While participation in fire district elections was minimal, there were some anomalies in the voting totals for some rural towns. For example, in the Town of Greenfield (Saratoga County), 414 people cast ballots in the election for fire commissioners. However, this election followed the defeat a few months earlier of a proposition to purchase two ladder trucks (590 votes cast) and a candidate was challenging the incumbent who had been championing the purchase of the fire trucks.
Four of the districts in which the most votes were cast were in the Town of Huntington, population 195,289. The number of people voting in all of the Huntington fire districts was 2573 out of a total electorate of 125,692, or two percent of the electorate.
What is a fire protection district?
Although the term “fire protection district” is similar to “fire district,” they represent very different ways of managing fire protection. While a fire district is a separate unit of government, run by elected commissioners; a fire protection district is a geographic service area within a town, established for the purpose of fire protection. Towns contract for fire protection services within these districts at the expense of the property owners in that district. The contract may be with a city or village fire department, a fire district, or an independent fire company.
A town board can create a fire protection district, consolidate adjoining fire protection districts, alter the boundaries of a fire protection district, or dissolve a fire protection district on its own motion or by petition. There are 951 fire protection districts in the state, down from 1,015 in 1988.


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the only "fear mongering" is coming from the NNTP ----  the Pro-Expansion side is just presenting the case in favor AND telling the truth in the process.      The NNTP is lying - as usual - trying to make it sound like the project is to build a palatial palace.




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VOTE YES ON DISTRICT #5   REfERENDUM


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
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VOTE YES ON DISTRICT #5   REfERENDUM


Spoken like a true non-taxpayer!

This will go down faster than ... nevermind.
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I look forward to seeing construction begin on the expansion in Spring 2012.


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
Lyndon Baines Johnson
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I look forward to seeing construction begin on the expansion in Spring 2012.


The only things that will be expanding in that area is your waist and ego.
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there is no common sense based on fear mongering


or in politics  

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It is true -- fear mongering is a bad thing -- shame on the NNTP for its fear mongering campaign to block this much needed expansion of the firehouse.    The NNTP has made up all kinds of lies about the nature of the project .. and how it can't be afforded.

The fact is that it is a straightforward project with absolutely nothing frivolous in the proposal.  The project will cost the average taxpayer  $10 a month.  That is quite affordable.


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

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Lyndon Baines Johnson
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I don't recall ever hearing the nntp/reps mention anything for or against this $3.5M proposal. I have hear that they believe that it is up to the taxpayers of that district to make that decision.....yes?

The only ones that have been vocal and in support of this $3.5 beast are the democons. They are using the same fear tactic rhetoric that they failed miserably at by supporting and promoting a taxing district for rems.

In either case, the folks in that district are saying NO loud and clear. They can not afford another tax increase.


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In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


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It is true -- fear mongering is a bad thing -- shame on the NNTP for its fear mongering campaign to block this much needed expansion of the firehouse.    The NNTP has made up all kinds of lies about the nature of the project .. and how it can't be afforded.

The fact is that it is a straightforward project with absolutely nothing frivolous in the proposal.  The project will cost the average taxpayer  $10 a month.  That is quite affordable.


What has the district been doing with the money they've collected up to now?  Where was it spent?  I'd like to see HOW the district has been spending their money over the past 10 or 15 years before approving $3.5 million.  That would be the wise thing to do.  


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