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only because they have no power, they only have force.
There is a difference.


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Another occurrence in the City.....man went crazy waiting to go to court......had to be pepper sprayed...

where was that in the news media???.....if it was, wasn't big news....

Also, pepper spray is a hazardous chemical.....who is trained to clean up this mess???? and who does it???



oh my goodness I can not imagine why any one would go crazy waitng for justice in this land of milk and honey


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it was not in the 'news'?? hmm why would they not put this in the news ... unless of course ssome one has something to hide..
NAAAAA im just bein paraniod im sure.
I am convinced our government would not stoop to hiding facts .


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Wow are you bitter toward law enforcement or what........


yes B

here iswhy, i know this is legal suicide but it does not even matter anymore i have had my fill of justice:

the statments i make are true.

Police stopped me on the street.
I was specifically in the parking lot of a vacant building.
Everyone in the neighborhood regularly uses this parking lot and all of the sidewalks on this building property.
People walk their dogs, kids play ball, cars, and trucks and trailers are parked there.
There are not any no-trespassing signs anywhere.
There are no locked gates.
.
They did not charge me with trespassing until they got back to the station after roughing me up, tazing me and threatening me with punishment.

They asked me to talk to them.
I asked them what they wanted to talk about.
They said they had nothing to talk about.
I asked if I was under suspicion of something they said no.
I asked them if they were looking for information they said no.
After they told me there was nothing specific they wanted to talk about, I declined, and told them I was on my way home.
They forceful detained me and when I demanded they release me they refused.
They injured me with their Tazer, handcuffed me and brought me to the station.
At no time was I charged or accused of any crime.

At the station another Policeman accused me of assaulting Policemen.
I explained to this man I did not assault any one but in fact the Policemen assaulted me without cause
or provocation.
The Policeman who grabbed me spoke up defending himself and said
" I only grabbed you with two fingers and my thumb"
He did admit that he grabbed me but was trying to downplay it.
Sort of like when I caught my 3-yr. old once taking from the cookie jar.
He said "but dad I only took One cookie"
At that moment the three of them left the room for at least five or ten minutes then came back with glee announcing they got me for trespassing and anything else they could add on, like it was some sort of game.

They held me under extreme pain and emotional distress.
They assembled a list of false charges against me.
They sent me to jail to be completely humiliated by being strip searched on two occasions.
They caused me head damage and a headache that lasted for three days.
Caused injury to my ribs so that I had great difficulty breathing and moving around for 3 weeks.
They caused my wife and daughter extreme emotional pain to the point where every time I leave the house they are fearful.


They charged me with assault, when they assaulted me with malice.
They have caused my reputation damage by casting doubt on my integrity.
They kidnapped me took me to their station and only then did they figure out what they could charge me with.
They threatened me with either agreeing to their lies or go to jail.
The two men acting behind the shield of a government official acted in a non-professional manner without regard to my natural right to walk around unmolested.
In my opinion these 2 Policemen are incompetent and not qualified to carry dangerous weapons.
They can not be trusted.
Even worse than that, the supervisors encouraged them (with full knowledge of their lies) in their efforts to cover up their mistake.
They have caused me extreme financial damage by causing me to tie up money I had put aside to support my family for the winter months while they continued to receive their paychecks and accrue benefits.

and now they give me an offer to plea to some lesser thing to make it all go away.
ya know how much it kills a mans soul to be treated like a slave...
and to finally after 12 months of nothing but adjourn, postpone,
this is the deal.
mortage my house to pay the fee to fight them or bend over and take up the tail pipe like every other redblooded american.

well i would love to fight this battle but ya know i just cant afford it finacianly or spiritualy.
so they win .
gonna take their "offer' and wait for another day.
ya gotta pick the battle and they win this one.
but let me say... they have lit a spark in me. some dormant primal urge to live in peace with the rest of humanity.
They have proven to me beyond any shadow of doubt that this government is beyond repair.
It has been taken over and here to stay.

There is a better way.
The removal of consent.
The only thing that feeds this beast is my consent.
So I am removing my consent,
through proper legal procedure My member ship to the USA Federal plantation will be severed.
Its a tough row to hoe but it is our only weapon, it is non violent and non combative.
It is lawfull and right.
The Republic of New York is not dead it still exists.
All we need to do is re populate it.
Our numbers are small but growing.


so ya see B .... I aint bitter towards law or even order
, in fact i am an orderly person... believe it or not i got to work, i raised and am raising five healthy wondeful off spring, some of whom are complete law abiding
slaves just like me, some of the younger ones, we teach different now.... and the older ones are not gonna fall for the beast we handed them,
i pay my taxes I love my neighbor as myself, ask any of em.


but government my friend  is not law... nor is it order.
law is between you and me. not some third party intrusive burrokrat
bitter... yeah, but i will survive, its only a pill to swallow and what dont kill ya makes ya stronger.
The battle is not over,

it is bigger than one man in one obscure little town made up of imaginary lines drawn on a map

With Malice toward none and Good Will to all,
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but government my friend  is not law... nor is it order.
law is between you and me. not some third party intrusive burrokratbitter... yeah, but i will survive, its only a pill to swallow and what dont kill ya makes ya stronger.
The battle is not over,


it is the golden calf used while Moses was on the mountain

dirty dirty shame

Good Will and Peace to you ditcher....


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The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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Hmmm, yeah Senders..... the golden calf ,
tell me more of your thoughts on that...


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Hmmm, yeah Senders..... the golden calf ,
tell me more of your thoughts on that...


man's version of justice to quiet the masses


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Tyranny and the Rule of Prosecutors
by William L. Anderson

Recently by William L. Anderson: Linda Kelly’s Inferno



  
    
Several years ago, James Bovard wrote that large numbers of Americans working in government positions simply are not subject to obeying laws that other Americans must follow – or go to prison. Lest anyone doubt what he says, the recent recommendation by a special prosecutor investigating misconduct by the U.S. Department of Justice in the trial of the late Ted Stevens should provide ample proof that if one is a government lawyer, then one is not subject to the law.

The Stevens trial two years ago in which the then-Alaska U.S. Senator was tried and convicted on corruption charges turned out to be a farce. While it is true that Stevens really was the very symbol of "crony capitalism" and pork-barrel spending, nonetheless what federal prosecutors did was reprehensible in gaining the conviction.

According to the report, prosecutors knowingly lied, withheld exculpatory evidence, and managed to make sure that the Republican would be tried in D.C. and judged by a jury of Democrats. In other words, the trial was a farce from the beginning, as often is the case in federal criminal law.


In his investigation of the government’s conduct (which resulted in the guilty verdict being thrown out), Special Prosecutor Henry F. Schuelke III wrote that the very prosecution was "permeated by systematic concealment of significant exculpatory evidence which would have independently corroborated his defense and his testimony, and seriously damaged the testimony and credibility of the government’s key witness." In other words, prosecutors knew exactly what they were doing: breaking the law.

However, despite the fact that these government agents knowingly and systematically defied the law, the special prosecutor has declared that they should not face any criminal charges because…the trial judge "did not issue a clear order telling them to properly handle evidence and witnesses." That is correct: because the judge did not remind officers of the court that they were to obey the law, and especially the law as interpreted in the U.S. Supreme Court’s 1963 Brady v. Maryland ruling, people who already knew the law and had been trained in the law but deliberately chose to disobey it will not be punished.


Furthermore, the courts have ruled on a number of occasions that police and prosecutors cannot be held liable when they are ignorant of the law but they make wrongful arrests. (That is, arrest someone who police thought was violating a law, but it turns out the police were wrong about the law.) In other words, for police and prosecutor, ignorance of the law IS an excuse, a get-out-of-jail-for-free card.

Contrast this recommendation with how everyone else in American is treated when it comes to alleged breaking of the law. It turns out that the standard line "ignorance of the law is no excuse" only applies to people who would be most likely not to know the law or even know a particular law or regulation existed. Furthermore, the courts have ruled on a number of occasions that the doctrine of mens rea, once the bedrock of Anglo-American criminal law, no longer applies, as intent now is irrelevant, at least for people who are not employed in the "criminal justice" system.

Take the federal prosecutors in the Stevens case, for example. All of them are law school graduates, and Brady is taught in every class on criminal law. Furthermore, they are required to take regular classes throughout the years, and Brady is a staple of that training.


I will go further. Each prosecutor in the Stevens case knew the Brady requirements and knew them better than the typical layperson or journalist, and I will guarantee that when they were violating Brady during the evidence-gathering stage and during the trial, they knew down to their socks they were violating the law and did it anyway. To make matters worse, they had strong evidence in their possession that their key witness had serious credibility problems, which is a nice way to say that the prosecutors knowingly suborned perjury, which is a felony.

Lest one thinks I exaggerate, Schuelke’s report declared that his investigators "found evidence of concealment and serious misconduct that was previously unknown and almost certainly would never have been revealed — at least to the court and to the public — but for their exhaustive investigation." In other words, prosecutors did not just fail to turn over the evidence; they made specific efforts to hide it, which violates statues against obstruction of justice, another felony.


Yet, the government investigator then declares that all should be ignored because the trial judge did not specifically tell prosecutors that they are supposed to both know the law and then obey it. That is not a privilege given to the rest of us.

No, the readers of this article, according to U.S. courts, are supposed to know literally every law that Congress and various state legislatures, not to mention local governments, pass every year, as well as every other law that ever has been placed on the books anywhere in the USA. Forget that we are dealing with hundreds of thousands of statutes; you, dear reader, are supposed to be intimately familiar with the law.

If you wish to find a way out of this predicament, however, the solution is before you: find employment as a police officer, a prosecutor, or a judge and you can wallow in lawbreaking and legal ignorance to your heart’s content, and the courts will back you.

The irony is that Schuelke’s investigation and report is being heralded as a triumph of the "ethics" of those who enforce the laws of this country. You see, we are told, no one is above the law. Well, almost no one. The people who more than anyone else should be held to the highest standards of the law are the ones who really are above it.

Tyranny exists when certain people are permitted to act in a lawless manner while forcing others to obey ridiculous and oppressive laws. Lest anyone believe that such a situation exists only in faraway countries where soldiers goose-step and dictators have funny moustaches, think again. What Schuelke has done is not to destroy tyranny, but to expand it, giving prosecutors literally a free pass to lie and eviscerate the very laws they claim to enforce, all in the name of "justice."

November 24, 2011

William L. Anderson, Ph.D. [send him mail], teaches economics at Frostburg State University in Maryland, and is an adjunct scholar of the Ludwig von Mises Institute. He also is a consultant with American Economic Services. Visit his blog.

Copyright © 2011 by LewRockwell.com. Permission to reprint in whole or in part is gladly granted, provided full credit is given.


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our public school system did well to dumb down the plebs and make it all an F'EN love fest around the campfire.....in the mean time their Gerry Garcia mama's and papa's government has gotten a beer belly and is overweight from eating
so many munchies....thanks Cheech and Chong.....


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Brady v. Maryland, 373 U.S. 83 (1963),[1] was a United States Supreme Court case in which the prosecution had withheld from the criminal defendant certain evidence. The defendant challenged his conviction, arguing it had been contrary to the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.

Maryland prosecuted Brady and a companion, Boblit, for murder. Brady admitted being involved in the murder, but claimed Boblit had done the actual killing. The prosecution had withheld a written statement by Boblit confessing that he had committed the act of killing by himself. The Maryland Court of Appeals had affirmed the conviction and remanded the case for a retrial only of the question of punishment.

The court held that withholding exculpatory evidence violates due process "where the evidence is material either to guilt or to punishment"; and the court determined that under Maryland state law the withheld evidence could not have exculpated the defendant but was material to the level of punishment he would be given. Hence the Maryland Court of Appeals' ruling was affirmed.

Brady refers to the holding of the Brady case, and the numerous state and federal cases that interpret its requirement that the prosecution disclose material exculpatory evidence to the defense. Exculpatory evidence is “material” if “there is a reasonable probability that his conviction or sentence would have been different had these materials been disclosed.”[1] Brady evidence includes statements of witnesses or physical evidence that conflicts with the prosecution's witnesses[2], and evidence that could allow the defense to impeach the credibility of a prosecution witness.[3]

Police officers who have been dishonest are sometimes referred to as "Brady cops." Because of the Brady ruling, prosecutors are required to notify defendants and their attorneys whenever a law enforcement official involved in their case has a sustained record for knowingly lying in an official capacity.[4] Brady evidence also includes evidence material to credibility of a civilian witness, such as evidence of false statements by the witness or evidence that a witness was paid to act as an informant.[5]


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so the goldman calf is the central government? >


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so the goldman calf is the central government? >


it was while moses was up in the mountains......


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Ah huh,
Now there is no moses today it is left to us to manage our own affairs.
We would do better to re investigate our own internal law.
It is as a person who becomes a drug addict at a young age, pretty much it stops emotional and spiritual growth.
A man can age 40 years as an addict and still have the mind of a 15 year old.
Now sure it becomes messy when the addiction is gone and he must begin where he left off.

Compare this to central government it is like addiction.
It keeps everyone supposedly in line and manageable but there is no growth.


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Ah huh,
Now there is no moses today it is left to us to manage our own affairs.
We would do better to re investigate our own internal law.
It is as a person who becomes a drug addict at a young age, pretty much it stops emotional and spiritual growth.
A man can age 40 years as an addict and still have the mind of a 15 year old.
Now sure it becomes messy when the addiction is gone and he must begin where he left off.

Compare this to central government it is like addiction.
It keeps everyone supposedly in line and manageable but there is no growth.


that's why moses made them eat the gold after it was melted down....to remind them of the "Egyptian addiction"......ie: it would be better if we were back in Egypt than to die in the desert....

kind of like today's sentiments of "it is better to have the devil you know than the devil you dont know"


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

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