Welcome, Guest.
Please login or register.
Citing Gazette, not good for profits.
Rotterdam NY...the people's voice    Rotterdam's Virtual Internet Community     Chit Chat About Anything  ›  Citing Gazette, not good for profits. Moderators: Admin
Users Browsing Forum
No Members and 5 Guests

Citing Gazette, not good for profits.  This thread currently has 7,556 views. |
6 Pages « 1 2 3 4 5 6 » Recommend Thread
bumblethru
November 6, 2008, 9:58pm Report to Moderator
Hero Member
Posts
30,841
Reputation
78.26%
Reputation Score
+36 / -10
Time Online
412 days 18 hours 59 minutes
Quoted from 147
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use_(U.S._trademark_law)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use

Obviously, Judy hasn't looked at the US Trademark laws - maybe her legal department should clue her in


Great info MT!! I guess Rene's ok, huh?


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
Logged
Private Message Reply: 15 - 75
nickelplated revolver
November 7, 2008, 5:18am Report to Moderator
Guest User
I doubt a one paragraph blurb properly describes the intent of copyright laws. here is one example of the principle -- you write a book [and it is smashingly good - aka harry potter] and then someone posts the whole book on the web -- well they cite you are the author, but does it really matter? why would anyone buy it now, since it;s freely available. the same applies to music, etc. it is protecting your intellectual property.

copyright vs. the internet is a major legal issue that has yet to be resolved.
Logged
E-mail Reply: 16 - 75
Ockham
November 7, 2008, 6:30am Report to Moderator
Guest User
"We are not a big corporation trying to stifle public comment; we are a small, family-owned newspaper trying to safeguard our intellectual property."
Judy Patrick
Managing editor


(Of course, I cited the author, but the 'extract' can also be a violation of copyright...)

Grabbed that line above so that everyone could get the sentiment of it. It sort of reads that the Gazette is really just a humble mom and pop operation and leaves out that mom and pop live in a million dollar home well outside the city limits.  I'd even bet that it frosts Judy Patrick's knickers that she can't stop those lunch counter patrons from handing the paper to one another (instead of everyone being forced to buy one), or that they leave them at the counter or on the seats of the subway cars (yes, boys and girls, Schenectady did have a subway - that's what it called itself, though it never went 'sub' per se).

What Judy, and all the printed media world, is really upset about is that, while 'readership' of newspapers is up, it hasn't come close to keeping pace with population growth. Frankly, this looks like just plain grubbing - being penny wise and pound foolish.  They're ignoring that their paper has a broader audience thanks to this board, and the fact that a few people (like me) subscribed to that paper because of the board.

For myself, I just got off the phone with their circulation department -  I canceled my subscription, and told them the two reasons why: Judy Patrick's article, and that they're not a Schenectady paper and haven't been for quite some time.  I did give them permission to contact me when those two issues had been corrected, and not one second sooner.  I can live without the Gazette, and I can live without all printed 'news' as such.  There are fresher, more balanced, and equally reliable sources out there.
Logged
E-mail Reply: 17 - 75
benny salami
November 7, 2008, 8:42am Report to Moderator
Hero Member
Posts
8,861
Reputation
68.97%
Reputation Score
+20 / -9
Time Online
132 days 23 hours 49 minutes
We are a family owned monopoly that has lost half its readers because of horrible left wing reporters and media bias. Now we are bound and determine to offend our web readers. This is an idle threat by a failing business that will go the way of buggy whip salesmen.
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 18 - 75
LibertyNJustice
November 7, 2008, 9:37am Report to Moderator
Guest User
Quoted Text
I'd even bet that it frosts Judy Patrick's knickers that she can't stop those lunch counter patrons from handing the paper to one another (instead of everyone being forced to buy one), or that they leave them at the counter or on the seats of the subway cars


What about reading the issues of the Daily Gazette that are left behind by others in public places and that I then use to line the cat litter box?

If I had not cancelled my subscription to the Daily Gazette years ago due to the biased reporting I would certainly do so now.  Sounds like the beginning of the liberals campaign to end opposition and free speech.  Perhaps, a formal boycott of the Daily Gazette by those who subscribe and those who advertise in the paper should be initiated.  I'll certainly let my family and friends know of this development and encourage them to buy other newspapers.

Of course, such actions wouldn't impact the finances of the company.  I'm sure that their sponsors, the county and city Democratic party, would earmark money in the municipal budgets to support the Gazette's continued propaganda campaign.
Logged
E-mail Reply: 19 - 75
Brad Littlefield
November 7, 2008, 10:18am Report to Moderator
Guest User
I don't subscribe the Daily Gazette.  I recently started a subscription to the Times Union.  Though they also seem to have a left-leaning political bias, I believe that the Times Union is more often first in reporting stories concerning important Schenectady County issues and that they report the news rather than act as a public relations firm for those who presently hold office.
Logged
E-mail Reply: 20 - 75
benny salami
November 7, 2008, 12:16pm Report to Moderator
Hero Member
Posts
8,861
Reputation
68.97%
Reputation Score
+20 / -9
Time Online
132 days 23 hours 49 minutes
Right Liberty and Brad. If you have not canceled your People's Gazette subscription do so at once. Tell them Judy told you to call. The TU has a great website which is completely free. Marv Cermak on Tuesday's is the Dean of all local reporters and regularly takes on Metrograft and these phony Democrats over here that are multiplying like mushrooms after a summer shower.

     As far as scoops, there's a reason for that too. No conservative will give the Gazette any info. Don't talk to them and don't return their calls. Give them nothing, as they have given us for decades.
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 21 - 75
CICERO
November 7, 2008, 12:59pm Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
18,232
Reputation
68.00%
Reputation Score
+17 / -8
Time Online
702 days 15 hours 7 minutes
http://www.mygtv.net/?p=6055

Quoted Text
Newspaper Industry In Free Fall As Online News Benefits From Increased Busienss And Ad Sales

By newsroom | June 29, 2008 - 7:23 pm - Posted in Business News, Economy, Financial News, Local Media, US News Now, World News

Even for an industry awash in bad news, the newspaper business went through one of its most severe retrenchments in recent memory last week.Half a dozen newspapers said they would slash payrolls, one said it would outsource all its printing, and Tribune Co., one of the biggest publishers in the country, said it might sell its iconic headquarters tower in Chicago and the building that houses the Los Angeles Times.

The increasingly rapid and broad decline in the newspaper business in recent months has surprised even the most pessimistic financial analysts, many of whom say it’s too hard to tell how far the slump will go.

“They’re in survival mode now,” said Mike Simonton, a media analyst at Fitch Ratings, a credit analysis agency.

“We had very grim expectations for the sector,” Simonton said, and publishers have either met or surpassed his estimates for how bad the results would be.

Last week alone, deep staff cuts were announced at The Hartford Courant and The (Baltimore) Sun — two Tribune papers — as well as at The Palm Beach Post and the Daytona Beach-Journal, while The Detroit News and Detroit Free Press said they hoped to reduce the head count in their joint operations by 7 percent through buyouts. The Boston Herald said up to 160 employees would be laid off as it outsourced its printing operations, and in a memo explaining the terms of its job security pledge, the Star-Ledger in Newark, N.J., said it is operating in the red. The week before, McClatchy Co. said companywide staff cuts of 10 percent were coming.

Tribune, meanwhile, told its employees Wednesday that it hoped to wring more value out of its “underutilized” real estate in Chicago and Los Angeles, extending an asset-selling program Tribune is pursuing to service a $13 billion debt load, much of which it took on from going private.

Tribune has already reached a deal to sell one of its largest newspapers, Long Island-based Newsday, but ran into delays early this month in liquidating Wrigley Field, where the Chicago Cubs play, when negotiations for the field’s purchase by a state agency broke down over financing. Tribune is also moving to sell the Cubs.

Tribune has enough money to meet its debt requirements this year, bond analysts have said, but it must make headway on asset sales in order to meet its obligations in 2009.

Tribune’s troubles reflect broader problems in the industry, where a deepening economic downturn is worsening losses from a long-term shift away from print advertising toward online, especially in classified categories like help wanted, autos and real estate, where rivals such as Craigslist, Move.com and AutoTrader.com are thriving.

Advertising is by far the most important source of revenue for newspapers. And in the first quarter, their overall ad revenue slumped 12.9 percent, led by a 24.9 percent drop-off in classifieds, compared with the same period a year earlier.

In fact, the industry group that compiles and releases ad revenue figures, the Newspaper Association of America, this month stopped putting out quarterly press releases with the numbers, though it quietly updated them on its Web site.

NAA spokeswoman Sheila Owens said in an e-mailed statement that the organization will now put out press releases only with full-year data “to keep the market focused on the longer-term industry transition from print to a multiplatform medium.”

Some say complacency in the industry about the threat the Internet posed is to blame for the current quagmire.

Speaking on the CNBC business news cable channel Friday, Sam Zell, the real estate magnate who is now Tribune’s CEO, said newspapers have historically been “monopolies” in their local markets and “insulated from reality,” according to a transcript of his remarks provided by CNBC.

Going forward, if ad revenues continue to slide rapidly, companies including Journal Register Co., MediaNews Group Inc. and — in the absence of further asset sales — Tribune could then risk violating their loan terms, said Emile Courtney, a media industry credit analyst for Standard & Poor’s.

Already, just two major publishers have investment-grade debt under S&P’s ratings — Gannett Co. and The New York Times Co. The industry is divided between them and “everybody else,” Courtney said.

Given the current poor climate for the business, he said: “I have doubts banks will be as willing as they were in the past to waive or amend covenants.”

Locally the beaver County Times is shifting the printing of its daily to the same site used by the Sharon Herald, neither sites print their own paper in house due to the cost of-operations of a printing machine. In Pittsburgh last week, the Trib Total Media group ceased to print most of its weekly-papers, rolling the advertising and readers in to its daily papers, and adding special localized sections to take up the slack of regionalism.

All of the local news papers have seen drops in circulation on a level with national avredges, one local news paper executive said, every day we read our own obituaries, and most of those people are our customers. The avredge age of a news paper reader in Pennsylvania is between 60 and 70 years of age.

Sam Zell said in a recent interview that if you are good at actuarial tables you can pretty much set the death of local print news on your watch in the near future as the free subscription model kills the paid daily news paper.


Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 22 - 75
Salvatore
November 7, 2008, 1:00pm Report to Moderator
Guest User
we need to have the balance and the fairness so you people need to respect the journolists
Logged
E-mail Reply: 23 - 75
nickelplated revolver
November 7, 2008, 1:19pm Report to Moderator
Guest User
lol -- yes, I am sure the gazette took action out of fear of the powerful bloggers here . yes, I am sure they are trying to stifle your voice, which is so loud and speaks so well. ---- u and your [hmm, what is a number less than a dozen] followers so sway public debate. why, just the other day, someones stopped me in the store and said, do u read what that guy on the blog said? It made me change my vote for mccain. lol.

u folks are truly full of yourselves. u would cut off your nose despite your face --- hurt the local guy cause u think it sways from your own myopic pov.

i would venture that, since u don't read the gazette, you have no clue what you are talking about. how can u say something does this or that if you ignore it? what kind of logic is that?

u will find that the TU covers less of the county than you think -- how many rotterdam board stories have they written in the last two months --- hmmm, none

when was the last story about glenville or scotia? how about never

so, please read the TU, you will further increase your ignorance,,,, but perhaps, that is your goal all along? lol

have a great day ===== I'm gonna read the local newspapers.
Logged
E-mail Reply: 24 - 75
JoAnn
November 7, 2008, 1:29pm Report to Moderator
Administrator Group
Posts
2,047
Reputation
60.00%
Reputation Score
+3 / -2
Time Online
19 days 19 hours 27 minutes
First, I apologize to all of the wonderful, dedicated members and lurkers who love this county and make an all out effort to contribute to this message board.

Second,  I too, am a little confused. Just a few weeks ago, Justin contacted me, asking if I would be interested in doing an interview for the Gazette. He mentioned that he frequents this site and finds it a great tool for the community. I told Justin that I was very busy at that time but would contact him when I was available.

So I am just a little confused.
Logged
Private Message Reply: 25 - 75
CICERO
November 7, 2008, 2:08pm Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
18,232
Reputation
68.00%
Reputation Score
+17 / -8
Time Online
702 days 15 hours 7 minutes
Quoted from 233
lol -- yes, I am sure the gazette took action out of fear of the powerful bloggers here . yes, I am sure they are trying to stifle your voice, which is so loud and speaks so well. ---- u and your [hmm, what is a number less than a dozen] followers so sway public debate. why, just the other day, someones stopped me in the store and said, do u read what that guy on the blog said? It made me change my vote for mccain. lol.


You're right nickel, less than a dozen people participate on this forum, which has to make you wonder why a busy newspaper editor like Judy Patrick would take time out to write a blog claiming copyright infringement on community internet blogs and forums that cite the Gazette's articles. What was the purpose?  More than a dozen people read the same copy of the Sunday edition of the Gazette during their daily constitutional at Dunkin Donuts.  Maybe she should address that.  

Why do you think Ms. Patrick wrote this on the Gazette's blog page?




Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 26 - 75
Salvatore
November 7, 2008, 2:15pm Report to Moderator
Guest User
because there ara bunch of troublemakers here trying to tip the apple cart and it needs to stop fast people unless it can be reguklated and we can get the balance in here
Logged
E-mail Reply: 27 - 75
benny salami
November 7, 2008, 2:38pm Report to Moderator
Hero Member
Posts
8,861
Reputation
68.97%
Reputation Score
+20 / -9
Time Online
132 days 23 hours 49 minutes
lol-"local guys"= a bunch of fat cats that live in Saratoga County? But they are really concerned about the Rotterdam taxpayer. What a joke. The People's Gazette's has lost more than half it's readership. They have no Capitol office. They refuse to report on Metrograft failures, like Parisi's closure. They use the websites to generate leads and steal comments to include in Editorials.

      One low point was failure to cover the rumble at St Anthony's Festa until Marv dragged them into the story. Judy's statement was a cry for help. "Trouble makers?" Anyone who dares to stand up to the one party working together nonsense and demand public audits.
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 28 - 75
Shadow
November 7, 2008, 3:21pm Report to Moderator
Hero Member
Posts
11,107
Reputation
70.83%
Reputation Score
+17 / -7
Time Online
448 days 17 minutes
As far as I'm concerned once you buy the news paper the information is yours to use as you wish as long as you give the credit for writing the article to the proper source. You can find out more news by participating in this blog than you can reading Savage's Gazette and the real advantage is by reading this blog there's more truth in it, except for Sal's posts.
Logged
Private Message Reply: 29 - 75
6 Pages « 1 2 3 4 5 6 » Recommend Thread
|

Rotterdam NY...the people's voice    Rotterdam's Virtual Internet Community     Chit Chat About Anything  ›  Citing Gazette, not good for profits.

Thread Rating
There is currently no rating for this thread