I'm curious for feedback on something.

Would you vote for someone in a completely new, independent party (I'm talking local level) based on a return to fundamental principles?  

No negative campaigning, no political or campaign contributions allowed. (I'm dead serious on that.)  

A straight-forward platform of comprehensive planning reform (that means an actually updated Comp Plan that serves to guide everything, like it's supposed to as well as overhaul of the Planning Commission, including even possible abolishment).

A platform that focuses on Quality of Life issues.  

A platform that advocates for a town-wide moratorium to temporarily limit development until the Comp Plan offers adequate protection.

A platform that seeks to build infrastructure where it is needed most to help promote the growth we want but still be able to retain the rural character of the community we desire.

I understand the question seems silly and of course, I'm being pretty vague on purpose.  Consider yourselves my exploratory committee.  ;)  I've been developing a detailed party plan and platform the last year.  I really never thought I'd pursue it - it serves more like a personal blueprint for me to follow in the issues I address.  But I'm not happy with the slow progress on so many important issues.  I know certain things should happen faster and I'm unhappy enough to be inclined to try myself.

I've been told, by people who supposedly know, that what I envision can't be done.  I think it can.  I have a plan but I'm curious to know what you think of such an unorthodox approach?

I hope you are really serious about running for an office in this town as we all know that we need elected officials who not only recognise the problems that this town faces but also who will resolve those problems not just talk them to death and deliver nothing.

The Village of Delanson created their own parties to run on.  The wanted to get away from the Republican/Democrat junk and vote for people strictly on the issues.  If you wanted details, Mayor Sally Burns would be the one to speak with.  She could give you a couple of ideas.  As for not having negative campaigning?  You and the newly created party may not use dirty tactics, but that isn't going to stop your opponent.  I won't speak to the issues you mention that are specific to Rotterdam, it's not my town.  I have always heard that a Conservative or Independence could not be elected without the endorsement of a major party.  Would you seek the endorsement of a major party or just run on one line?  It's nice to hear you might be willing to step up to the plate.

I have been a registered Republican since I came of voting age.  It has never really influenced my local voting and to be truthful, my views don't match up well with any party anymore.  I just pull the levers for who I think are the best candidates for the issues at hand, pure and simple.

I don't believe in endorsements.  They have never, ever influenced my own voting and I never attributed any importance to seeking or obtaing them.  In fact, I prefer NOT to attract endorsements.  ( I said it was unorthodox  :) )

One party line.  The party I create.  It's already got a name and the associated things that go along with it but I'm not ready to disclose any of that at this point.  I studied the election law but would really like to speak to someone that could guide me (I was thinking any of the Schenectady candidates that recently tried it, especially Mary McClane who I think actually formed a party to get on the ballot?)  I need to know I've got it right so the major parties don't get me disqualified if I do pick up any momentum.

Probably the biggest reason I have not gotten involved is the negativity.  There was no way I could let some party chairman generate propaganda with my name on it dragging the other guy through the mud.  That's not my style which is why I need complete control of my own destiny by creating the new party line.  Whether or not that style is successful or not, I'd just leave up to the voters.  I could easily live with stealing the low vote tally from Jurzynski  ;D

I too registered Republican when I was 18, I never held any stock in it either.  My decisions for candidates were never based on a party.  I have posted previously my feelings about the two party system.  I disagree with it, but I will also admit to being politically uneducated. I think it just another form of segregation.  To have the gall to tell someone their idea isn't welcome and won't be entertained because you are a Republican or Democrat is ludicrous.  The County leg right now is a perfect example, the Republicans are not provided with information to formulate a decision, they actually withhold the info from them.  They are not told of meetings just to assure they do not attend.  In fairness, it was probably the same way when the Republicans were the majority.  As Supervisor, I enjoy representing all the people in town, I could care less what party they belong to.  Read my post in the endorsements section,  while we agree on this one we are polar opposites on the minor party endorsements.  Another reason I enjoy them is I know the Republicans will give me the nod, doesn't matter if I'm an idiot or not as long as I'm electable,  but the minor party endorsements require some work and more of a challenge.

I read your other post and responded in that thread.

I always believed electablity was derived from the people not parties.  I know how naive and idealistic that sounds so let me try to explain.

I'm a door-knocker.  I meet people.  I listen to them and discuss the issues.  Hey, I don't claim to have all the answers, just maybe some of them.  Right now, parties and money do determine electability.  My approach aims to change that.  I have a strategy that I think can overcome the obstacles to reaching the voters with my message.  But I'm getting way ahead of myself...I have not decided I will run yet....but tell me again how it can't be done...every time I hear that it helps.   :)  

Mike, maybe you could talk to Pat Zollinger about forming a new party. If you recall, she and Vince Riggi had a similar vision. If she can't answer all of your questions, maybe she can direct you to the people who can.

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Would you vote for someone in a completely new, independent party (I'm talking local level) based on a return to fundamental principles?  

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A platform that focuses on Quality of Life issues.

Michael,

I would certainly consider supporting a third party candidate if he/she represents my views on the important issues and if I felt that the candidate would have a chance at winning the election rather than simply playing the role of spoiler.

A few of your statements require elaboration for me to comment on my level of support.  "Fundamental principles" means different things to different people.  I would need to understand the candidate's views on what constitute fundamental principles and his/her positions on the issues.

Your statement of "A platform that focuses on Quality of Life issues" also requires elaboration.  As a social conservative, I am not in favor of using public revenues to support many of the entitlement programs that are
presently in place nor do I support using public revenues to fund non-profits (e.g., Proctor's Theatre) and private businesses (e.g., Clinton's Ditch, the Big House, etc.).  I don't believe the redistribution of wealth from private citizens to private businesses and non-profits is the role of government.  It is my view that those who support the arts (e.g., Proctors', NYC Ballet, etc.) should work to secure private funding (donations, pledges, etc.) and not look to the government for financial support.  

In summary, the description of your platform is, as you concede, "pretty vague".  I look forward, however, to hearing more of your views and encourage you to become involved in government.  We need more people who are willing to step up and take back our government from the many special interests that currently hold the control and power.

Michael,
From what you're saying here, I would fully stand behind you.  In fact, it seems that you already have some great ideas and have been thinking about this for some time.  What I think we need to do is get back to what is actually in some pieces of paper that most people have forgotten about.  Those pieces of paper would be little things like A) The Constitution of the United States of America, B) The Declaration of Independence, and maybe some other documents that have been pushed by the wayside.  

And if I may ask a question of anybody here.  Has anybody ever checked to see if the Constitution has ever taken a breath?  I know it sounds like an idiotic question, but there's so many people in the Democratic Party that say's the Constitution is a living, breathing document.  Seems to me it's basic ideals that were put down on paper for people to follow.  It was never meant to be interpreted for more than it states on the paper.

I would love to join a group that gets back to the original thoughts of these papers, maybe in a party such as it would be, maybe the Constitution Party.

Michael,  Don't take this the wrong way, I've been happily married for 30 years but I think you are the "other pea in my pod".  Politically speaking.(I know I'm going to regret typing that previous line. :))  

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I always believed electablity was derived from the people not parties.  I know how naive and idealistic that sounds so let me try to explain.

I am constantly trying to "explain" myself.  I just want to be the Supervisor of my town, do the best I can to provide services and make a nice community for the residents.  I too am naive, I want the best person for the job, regardless of the party.  I talk to residents all of the time to get their views and ideas for the town.  That is the best part of my job.  I am lucky D'burg isn't the size of Rotterdam.

I don't think I said your idea can't be done.  I don't know enough about politics to know if it can or not.  I will tell you, however, I will vote for the person who I feel can be most effective at the job, and be accountable for their decisions.  I want to know that when I am ticked off about something I can call someone and more important they will listen and understand.

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Hey, I don't claim to have all the answers, just maybe some of them.

The day you think you have all the answers is the day you will stop learning anything new.  I have to tell people I don't have an answer for them frequently, I find out where to get the answer and get back to them.  Someone who thinks they have all the answers doesn't belong in an elected position.  They will be closed minded and too busy trying to prove his/her way is the only right path.  I really hope you decide to run.  

PS  Aren't you glad you asked for feedback on your idea? :)

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Someone who thinks they have all the answers doesn't belong in an elected position.  They will be closed minded and too busy trying to prove his/her way is the only right path.

Example:  Spitzer

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Example:  Spitzer

Another example: Savage

Thanks to everybody who's weighed in so far.  I hope some others will to.  I'll try to expand on some of my thinking to help prompt more discussion but will still be playing close to the vest at this early juncture.

I'll try to reach out to Pat and Vince and others for their advice in how best to accomplish my goal, JoAnn.

It's exactly that spoiler hurdle I've got to get over, Brad.  I'm not going to be in it to raise issues, I'm going to be in it to win.  If I don't think I can, I won't get in.  I'll have a much better gauge over the coming weeks.

You picked up correctly, Kevin, on what I meant about fundamental principles.  Reform efforts always seem to wind up floundering so what better way to get a fresh start than by starting over with the things that got us started to begin with?

Thanks for the encouragement, Rene.  I am glad I asked!  I guess I have some hard thinking ahead of me.

Sometimes it is easier to 'reform' an already existing party than it is to create a new one.

Name one instance.

Why try to change a dog's spots?  Reform from within is a giant job and certain to be a distraction to the work that needs to be done.  A new party offers a clear agenda without any baggage.

I probably should have said that it 'seems' easier to reform an existing party than it is to create a new one. Ross Perot, I believe, created the 'reform party'. And he had the bucks to back him up. And although he pulled about 8% of the votes, he lost. My personal feeling is, Perot had the smarts and the bucks but wanted to run his own show, and he fell short of a win. But when the election was over, it went back to the status quo.

There are many conservs out there who are biting at the bit to bring their party back to it's grass roots and are now trying to doing so. The dems and reps, locally, are in need of new leadership. Buchanan and Quail should go.  

My personal opinion is to jump into an already existing party and fight for change.   There are quite a few out there, from what I hear, that are willing to jump in with you. Or else just campaign to vote the bad guys out. The political reform idea has been going on since the early 1800's.  

You said that you like to hear the negative side as it just strengthens your ideas....I hoped I helped. :) Actually I say 'go for it'!

I absolutely like to hear the downside.  It's the only way to properly assess risk.  I thoroughly appreciate the comments you made.  I said somewhere else I don't claim to have all the answers.  The approach you mention is valid enough...I just don't think it's a fit with where my mind is right now.

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Why try to change a dog's spots?  Reform from within is a giant job and certain to be a distraction to the work that needs to be done.  A new party offers a clear agenda without any baggage.

Howard Dean's campaign in 2000 moved the democrat party more to the left than any other democrat in recent memory.  Even though he lost, Howard Dean became the head of the DNC, and with his successful grass roots style campaign, he forces all national democratic candidates from that point on to pander to those grass roots liberals he courted during his campaign.  

With the current weakness of the county Republican party, I believe it would be a much easier for you to redirect the party from within than to start a third party on your own.  If you can show that your message is a winner, like Dean did in 2000, and motivate a disenfranchised voting block to get out and vote for the party you represent, you will then be a voice heard in the republican party.  Remember republicans want to win also.  If your message can help accomplish that, they would be more than willing to have you on board.

Interesting point, Cicero and one I appreciate.  The counter-approach both you and bumblethru advocate is not lost on me.  I think my reluctance to go that route is rooted in my past experiences trying to work within the party structure.  One thing I know I couldn't tolerate and also know I'd never be able to control is the negative campaigning that gets done.  Like you said, they're happy to have you on board as long as you fall in step and can win.  They don't much care what they might have to do in order to win.

If I create a new party, the aim is to strip it down to some basic, immediate needs and solutions.  Too much time and effort is wasted on protecting party interests.  Why not focus on the residents for a change?

It all comes down to what you point out.  Can I show my message is a winner?  Doesn't matter what party I'm with.  Can I show my message is a winner?  I'm prepared to learn my message is not what people want if it comes down to that but I've got to feel I carried it to them as intended.

Michael, I too share your vision as I'm sure others do too. We can't forget that ALL political parties started with the same vision. But somehow, hunger for power and corruptness and self service and personal political agendas and special interest groups become the forefront. At this  point I believe or should I say I could only wish, that ALL politiccal parties would go back to their roots. What was their vision and passion for the representation of the people? Renew the spirit and pride of service.

I believe that even if another party was started, it would eventually become as the others. Even if it took decades. I also believe in party reform. Or changing the landscape of government one election at a time.

Intellectually I agree with Cicero on this, but emotionally I want you to go ahead with this and see where it goes.  The sad fact is it would seem the residents of Rotterdam could miss out on you serving them if you fail.  Cicero makes sense in that the Republican Party should appreciate your eagerness and welcome you with open arms.  As I go to different Republican functions it appears as though that is whats missing, eagerness and passion.  There is plenty of strategizing and posturing but the passion to serve ones community and the residents in it is not evident to me.  If the passion is there the winning will follow.......how silly and simplistic is that?

Paradoxically, my passion can sometimes be my own worst enemy.  

I've decided to flesh out my town views on a separate blog that I'm using as a learning tool for something else.  For anybody who cares, it's rotterdamny.blogspot.com

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Paradoxically, my passion can sometimes be my own worst enemy.

I feel your pain :)

4974.  

4930.

These are the two numbers I'll discuss in my next blog entry.  Anyone have an idea what they represent?

No clue here.

Looks like tallied votes from an election. (a close election!)

Where is my bumper sticker........ :) ;)

OK Michael I think we waited long enough.....what does it mean?  I checked your blog and the answer isn't there. :)

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4974.  

4930.

These are the two numbers I'll discuss in my next blog entry.  Anyone have an idea what they represent?

number of democrats to republicans in the town???

Or the amount of people it takes to solve the drainage problems in rotterdam???

And what will we win if we are right? A toaster? :D

MICHAEL, WHERE ARE YOU???

Maybe the 4974 got to him...

He better have a good reason for leaving us hangin' like this! :)

Bum, go check Michaels blog, the answer is there.  Michael, you will have your work cut out for you, and if or when you win you will realize what a small dog you truly are.  The answers to the woes of any town whether its Rotterdam or D'burg are always more easily answered on a local forum or in ones mind. I can attest to that. ;)

No good reason at all...so toasters for everyone!  

Yes, they are vote totals but these were the two winners totals.  Impressive numbers too.  Mertz and Signore respectively in the Nov 2005 Town Board contest.  These are the numbers I've got to consider in any attempt I may decide to make.  

Calling me an underdog against these guys would be a gross overstatement.  I'd be more like whatever's under the dog.   :)

You seem to understand my dilemma and reluctance better than most, Rene.  So why do I feel myself being drawn into something I'd much rather avoid and actually have been successful at avoiding so far?

I'll likely lose.  If I won, it probably wouldn't matter.  So why bother?  I'm not saying the people doing it now are doing a horrible job or that I could do better...I'd just be doing some things differently because I think too much valuable time is disappearing.

So why?  I think it boils down to being able to look myself in the mirror and knowing that I at least tried.

I lived in D'burg 43 of my 48 years.  I was never involved in anything, Eight years ago was my first run for the Town Board.  I went into it totally blind and thought it would be fun and a way to make a difference in town.  I had no agenda and was not disgruntled about the way things were going.  Over the eight years it has truly grown on me in a way I never thought possible.  It's interesting that there are no schools for this stuff, only a course put on by the Association of Towns once a year.  I have been self employed all my life and it is humbling to be a part of a system that requires five approvals as well as the approval of an additional 5,900 residents.  No task is easy. I think I have managed to keep my principles and not become a patsy for special interest groups (although our totally volunteer emergency services hold a special place for me) or politics.  Even though the sex offender ordeal turned political it was, in my heart, an issue I was passionate about.  I never meant any disrespect to Mr. Kosiur, he is a good man but let politics rule his thought process.  The last 6 months of dealing with and observing the county leg, and the crappy politics of the last election have made me bitter.  Because of that, I am more of a loyalist to the Repbulican party then I was before.  I'm not saying the Republicans are perfect either and I have considered switching parties myself on many occasions.  Election season 2005, I was truly embarrassed to be a Republican.
Anyway, my point is if you go into it with the attitude you have people will see that.  The key is reaching enough people to have that attitude shine. If you aren't already, get out and start talking to the people now. "Campaign" all the time, not just at election time. I think people will appreciate that. I would like to think you can do it and perhaps you have the determination.  There are many people upset with their current situation and a fresh perspective would probably be welcome.  From what I can tell as an outsider, I would be concerned with the nasty politics in Rotterdam, it is clear candidates are not confronted with the issues, intelligent debate is non existent.  I was at the debate for Rotterdam Supervisor, Town Board, and Leg candidates and....well I will leave it at that.  It seems that when one can't run on the issues they resort to literally making stuff up on a personal level.  Be prepared for that.

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I'll likely lose.  If I won, it probably wouldn't matter.  So why bother?  I'm not saying the people doing it now are doing a horrible job or that I could do better...I'd just be doing some things differently because I think too much valuable time is disappearing.

If you win, it will matter.  We can ALL make a difference.  You have a long road ahead and I will enjoy watching your progress.  I would start down that path NOW. I know I'm naive but I need to believe the political party isn't going to matter, but if you shine as a person you will win.  GIVE ME A REASON TO BELIEVE, MICHAEL.

Michael, If you do decide to run, and you're starting a new party, then let me tell you, I will not only back you, but I would also be willing to be running right beside you.  The people in your neighborhood have seen just about othing over many years of (rightful) complaining.  It is about time that something gets done.  

Also, I am so surprised with how easy it is to get something re-zoned in this town as it is.  The zoning was set up a specific way for specific reasons.  I don't think this town is a "bedroom community" and we don't need a bunch of Multiple Family Residential Housing, which just sandwiches people closer together, as it is in the city.  If you have single family residences, you don't have absentee landlords, you have owners who live on the land they bought and feel responsible for it, as they need to see it each and every day they walk out their front door.  It's also easier to find them when they are needed.

There are many things that are needed in this town, and while I agree with some of the ideals of the people that are currently on the board, there is a need for a change in some of the policies.

On a board as small as ours is, 1 vote CAN make a difference, especially when it comes to spending outrageous amounts of money for study after study.

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There are many things that are needed in this town, and while I agree with some of the ideals of the people that are currently on the board, there is a need for a change in some of the policies.

That's how I feel too.  Thanks for the support.  We'll see if we can get this thing off the ground and give people another alternative.  

I believe there are 'some' who want another alternative. HOWEVER...with Tommasone's re-election as town supervisor, only proves that the majority of this town is satisfied with the way the town government is being run. Mertz and Signore will be a shoe-in if they choose to run again! We clearly do not need a 'spoiler' party to make way for a democratic town board. We have lived through decades with the dems, let's not go backwards now. If  anyone is unhappy with a certain situation, than deal with it head on without the guessing games on the who and what of an issue! People want the straight forward facts so they can make an informed decision.

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I believe there are 'some' who want another alternative. HOWEVER...with Tommasone's re-election as town supervisor, only proves that the majority of this town is satisfied with the way the town government is being run. Mertz and Signore will be a shoe-in if they choose to run again! We clearly do not need a 'spoiler' party to make way for a democratic town board.  

Ahhh, is that what it proved?  I'd disagree but I voted for him.  Shoe-in's?  Again, I think not but certainly strong candidates.

I never liked the term spoiler.  THEY are the alternative that 'some' want and actually have the courage to pull the lever for what they want but can't seem to get.  I believe all this "satisfaction", "shoe-in", and "spoiler" stuff disappears when the right alternative comes along.  Given your logic, the Republicans would be running things in perpetuity.  In politics, things change in an eye blink or not at all, but every eye eventually blinks.

It took decades for Rotterdam to 'blink'. And it will take decades before the entire county 'blinks' before there is change in the country legislature.

Mertz and Signore- shoe-ins?  Only if the dems continue to put up weak candidates.  You have to consider who they ran against in 05'.  If you dont have the backing of a major party- you dont have a shot and if you are fortunate enough to get an endorsement from the dems or republicans and also get the 2 minor parties- conservatives and independence parties-  then you picked up about 2000 potential votes.  I think the conservatives have about 1600 and the independence 400 or 500.  If you can get both of those- you are no longer the dog.  Tommasone won easily against a 2 or 3 time loser but Steve Tommasone is not Mertz.  Tommasone seems to be a person who cares about the people he serves and his Town more than his ego. He does not appear to be a vindictive person and from everything I hear, Mertz's motivations are almost never for the right reasons or the moral reasons.  Hang in there Mike.

jnotar, I disagree with your view of Mr.Mertz. Some seem to question his motives. His motives are clearly not due to an alter ego. Remember that Mr. Mertz is not a homegrown and has no historic personal loyalties to anyone or thing in Rotterdam. I find this refreshing! I personally believe that Mr. Mertz is a positive addition to the Rotterdam town board. He b rings an objective thread to the town board. I am persoanally satisfied with the board that we

However, the residents also have a responsibility and that is to watch the elected officials closely and keep their feet to the fire.

I dont know Mr.Mertz personally but, I cannot defend his character either for good or bad.....he is an elected official, always under the scrutiny of the public microscope....

they shall be known by their fruit.....

Many of the things that Mr Mertz has wanted to do for the benefit of the residents  plagued with water problems have been stymied by the town attorney. He truly wants to help the town of Rotterdam if they will just let him do it.

That's right.....only lawyers know about drainage......HA...... ::) :X

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Many of the things that Mr Mertz has wanted to do for the benefit of the residents  plagued with water problems have been stymied by the town attorney. He truly wants to help the town of Rotterdam if they will just let him do it.

I absolutely agree!!!

I approve of John Mertz on the town board. I haven't seen or heard anything on the contrary to think otherwise.

Mr. Mertz and I don't always agree but when it comes to our drainage problem, his efforts have reflected genuine concern.  Sure, he's had a few missteps but I respect the passion he brings to the things that concern him.

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Mr. Mertz and I don't always agree but when it comes to our drainage problem, his efforts have reflected genuine concern.  Sure, he's had a few missteps but I respect the passion he brings to the things that concern him.

I agree, and I must say, nobody is going to be perfect on all subjects, however, you have to go with whoever shows the concern and not only gives it lip service, but is actually trying to get something done is exactly what you need.  I think Mr. Mertz is doing a good job at least trying.

Hello everyone!

Please let me apologize for my prolonged absence, as I truly enjoy perusing the comments on this site.  I must say that this site is more enjoyable to read; the recent discussions have taken a notable turn toward an academic nature, rather than the past name calling and unflattering banter.

Michael, your passion will make you a formidable opponent for any office.   I too believe that if the elected officials are doing a disservice to those who put them in office, then they should be replaced.  

I read your comments rejecting a major party and they make sense.  I can see that your focus is not really on doing things the conventional way, but making change.   Change can be very good, but the law of unintended consequences may be more damaging in the long run.  As Mr. Littlefield has pointed out, playing the role of spoiler can produce results that could even disappoint you.  It seems to me that all the parties are struggling to find quality candidates, so why try and reinvent the wheel when you may be in the position to dictate your own terms?

What is confusing me is why the political parties have not reached out to you?   Didn’t the Rotterdam Republicans actually endorse a registered Democrat?  That seems a little unorthodox to me.

Liz,

Welcome back from your hiatus.  The more folks who post their ideas and concerns here, the better
informed that we all become.

BTW, please call me Brad.  "Mr. Littlefield" makes me feel old   :'(

But Brad, you ARE old ;).

Shhhhh, don't tell him that? :D

K, I'm taking my keyboard and going home.  You folks aren't nice.

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Hello everyone!

   Didn’t the Rotterdam Republicans actually endorse a registered Democrat?  That seems a little unorthodox to me.

I don't know about unorthodox, but it didn't work.

Aren't you usually ON your keyboard at home?  Come on back, we didn't mean to scare you away!

I work in a nursing home...Brad you are not old and if you were we would expect much wisdom from you(not that we dont now)... ;D :D

Brad, you look pretty good for nearing 60 :)

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Hello everyone!

Please let me apologize for my prolonged absence, as I truly enjoy perusing the comments on this site.  I must say that this site is more enjoyable to read; the recent discussions have taken a notable turn toward an academic nature, rather than the past name calling and unflattering banter.

Well Liz, that is because the elections are over. Just watch when the RPD starts negotiating their contract! :o

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Hello everyone!

Please let me apologize for my prolonged absence, as I truly enjoy perusing the comments on this site.  I must say that this site is more enjoyable to read; the recent discussions have taken a notable turn toward an academic nature, rather than the past name calling and unflattering banter.

What are the rules of conversational engagment whether it be neighbor to neighbor, local, national or international?

never talk about money, religion or politics.....and here we all are.......flying in the face of tradition.....oooohhh how exciting.... ;D

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I must say that this site is more enjoyable to read; the recent discussions have taken a notable turn toward an academic nature, rather than the past name calling and unflattering banter.

It seems to me that all the parties are struggling to find quality candidates, so why try and reinvent the wheel when you may be in the position to dictate your own terms?

Well, Liz, then I guess we're off to a good start anyway at eliminating some of the negativity.

I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel, more like trying to put the wheel back on it's axle.  I suppose the uncertainty of being able to really dictate my own terms has held me back.  Why not just control that by actually dictating my own terms?

Ideally, I don't want to even run.  I'm no politician (although someone near accused me here the other day   :) ) and I don't want to be one.  I'm hoping I see the issues I raise addressed in the manner I'd like them addressed and then I won't have to run.  (Hey, I can still hope, right?)  In the meantime, I'll prepare my course so I'm ready if I want to try.

I'm starting to lay out my positions a bit on my blog for those that want to check out what's on my mind.

To All the Wet-Behind-the-Ears "Whipper-Snappers" who post on this forum:

I am merely 47 years old.  Not quite ready for the nursing home, though some days I feel closer than I would like to think.  Besides, I still have a promising career ahead of me as a Walmart greeter.

As for the wisdom, Senders, you had better look elsewhere.  Despite my advanced state of aging, there are some who contend that I'm as sharp as a box of cotton balls, slower than rubber cement through a straw, or .

And, for the record, there is at least one woman who posts on this forum who is even older than I.  In fact, I know few individuals who are older than she.  If you cut her in half and count the concentric rings, there would be 48 by last account.  But, considering myself a gentleman, I won't "out" her.   She knows who she is.   ;)

You're probably asking yourself how this posting has anything to do with the topic "Join the Revolution".  Well, some who know me would suggest that I was around for the first one.

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And, for the record, there is at least one woman who posts on this forum who is even older than I.  In fact, I know few individuals who are older than she.  If you cut her in half and count the concentric rings, there would be 48 by last account.  But, considering myself a gentleman, I won't "out" her.   She knows who she is.  

Wise guy,  You know I will get even

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Ideally, I don't want to even run.  I'm no politician (although someone near accused me here the other day    ) and I don't want to be one.  I'm hoping I see the issues I raise addressed in the manner I'd like them addressed and then I won't have to run.  (Hey, I can still hope, right?)  In the meantime, I'll prepare my course so I'm ready if I want to try.

Either you want to serve your community from the goodness of your heart for the benefit of the whole community OR  You want to take care of the issues that plague you personally and are being addressed as you see fit.  Which is it? ??)

If the issues you are concerned with are dealt with you won't run?  Whats that all about?  Maybe you're more of a politician than you think ;)

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politician  
  


Main Entry: pol·i·ti·cian  
Pronunciation: \ˌpä-lə-ˈti-shən\
Function: noun
Date: 1589
1: a person experienced in the art or science of government; especially : one actively engaged in conducting the business of a government
2 a: a person engaged in party politics as a profession b: a person primarily interested in political office for selfish or other narrow usually short-sighted reasons

Michael

Your blog is very refreshing. I enjoyed reading it and look forward to more info. :)

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Either you want to serve your community from the goodness of your heart for the benefit of the whole community OR  You want to take care of the issues that plague you personally and are being addressed as you see fit.  Which is it? ??)

If the issues you are concerned with are dealt with you won't run?  Whats that all about?  Maybe you're more of a politician than you think ;)

I agree.  Look at it this way.  If you like the way that things are going and someone comes up for election that is doing things the way that you like, then I would say yes, throw your support behind them and help support them to keep their position.  If not, run against them.  

Let's say that this last election came up and Mr. Godlewski and Ms. Marco WERE running for re-election.  If you like the ideas that they were bringing to the table (or making sure they weren't), then you would support them.  If you didn't like some of their issues, then you would run against them.  When they decided NOT to run for re-election, then you have to look at it differently, as bringing your ideas to the table, notwithstanding however the other people running for the position look at it, because when it comes to elections, anything can be said, then ANYTHING can happen afterwards.  The only way to make sure that you TRULY know what any one person on the board is going to do is to study them...or be them.

The only way to serve the whole community is to be a whipping post for the special interests and nimbys but, at the same time know the goal that you are reaching for. I believe what Michael is trying to get into the open is the Town Comprehensive Plan......the Comp Plan is either the goal or useless. As a leader it can be your armor, for all the nimbys and those with whips ready to lash ya with the tongue lashings......it can also be the undoing of a leader if not kept up and/or ignored.....as for the history of Rotterdam, those elected got results for their neighborhoods/personal investments(mostly) :B

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Either you want to serve your community from the goodness of your heart for the benefit of the whole community OR  You want to take care of the issues that plague you personally and are being addressed as you see fit.  Which is it? ??)

If the issues you are concerned with are dealt with you won't run?  Whats that all about?  Maybe you're more of a politician than you think ;)

I knew that comment would get me in some hot water!  (A politician never would have made that error!  :) )
My issues are not necessarily personal issues, though I realize that is what I implied - unintentionally.
I'm really just shy.  :)

I organized against the ill-conceived Wal-Mart supercenter.  I offered my services to people during the reval process.  I continue to seek relief for troubled Masullo Estates homeowners, though I don't have a problem personally.  For me, it all comes back to comprehensive planning and infrastructure.

I simply intended my remark to mean I'd like to just see those elected do the job they sought.  Thanks for blasting me though - I had it coming.

Main Entry: pol·i·ti·cian  
Pronunciation: \ˌpä-lə-ˈti-shən\
Function: noun
Date: 1589
1: a person experienced in the art or science of government; especially : one actively engaged in conducting the business of a government
2 a: a person engaged in party politics as a profession b: a person primarily interested in political office for selfish or other narrow usually short-sighted reasons


I'm shooting for definition 1!

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Michael

Your blog is very refreshing. I enjoyed reading it and look forward to more info. :)

Thanks, senders!  I appreciate you going to bat for me on my earlier remark too!

I'm glad to see you are a multi purpose zealot. You had me scared there for a minute, I thought you were running just to take care of your corner of the world.  Don't you love this forum?  Sometimes you hit "post reply" and you just know someone is gonna jump on you.  Its amazing how when you write and intend one thing someone else reads it a different way.

Much gets lost in translation over the internet. It's the downside of cyberspace. :)

I'm probably going to go back into lurker mode (unless I really, really have to comment on something) but I'll be posting to my blog every couple of days.  Upcoming topics will probably include Leadership, Water Remediation, Planning Commission reform/abolishment, agenda for First 100 Days, Reval, and whatever else comes to mind...I like to try to mix in some personal viewpoints on just living life.  In fact, the next entry will probably be about picking out a Christmas tree!

Feel free to email me...Merry Christmas, everyone!

Michael, Please don't leave....you are too much fun.  Truth be told, I tell myself I'm going into lurker mode almost everyday but then I can't resist.  

I converse more on this thing than I do with real live people face to face! I guess that makes me pathetic, huh? :-/

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/288200.html

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Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely




Meaning

Literal meaning.

Origin

This arose as a quotation by Lord Acton in a letter to Bishop Mandell Creighton in 1887:

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."

William Pitt the Younger, The Earl of Chatham and British Prime Minister from 1766 to 1778, is sometimes wrongly attributed as the source. He did say something similar though, in a speech to the UK House of Lords in 1770:

"Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it"

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"Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it"

Perhaps this quote should be sent to the democratic dictatorship in Schenectady! They are a prime example of it!

Okay, it's looking like the first order of unofficial business for the new party is going to have to be opposing the pay raise.

I don't doubt my ability to help collect the necessary petition signatures.  The Town Board would be wise not to doubt it either.  Hopefully, for everyone's sake, they'll see the light and not pass the law.

here here......

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I'm glad to see you are a multi purpose zealot.

I'm about to become a single-purpose zealot for 45 days, Rene.

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  Its amazing how when you write and intend one thing someone else reads it a different way.

I hope the Town Board can read correctly.

I think you have been very clear in conveying your objectives Michael

Thanks, Rene.  It doesn't always feel that way.   :)

For those that want to participate, the "ducks" are being lined up in preparation for pay raise opposition.  Private message me on this site and I'll make sure you've got a task.  First order of business will be the public hearing New Year's Day.  Consider this my invitation to join me in welcoming in the New Year.

Don't forget to vote today!

I posted my thoughts regarding today's primary on my blog http://rotterdamny.blogspot.com/

I think I'll be joining the revolution below
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/

I'm not ready to swing that far.  I say Republicans, if you're going to vote today, we can't afford McCain to win.  Vote for Romney.

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  What I think we need to do is get back to what is actually in some pieces of paper that most people have forgotten about.  Those pieces of paper would be little things like A) The Constitution of the United States of America, B) The Declaration of Independence, and maybe some other documents that have been pushed by the wayside.  

And if I may ask a question of anybody here.  Has anybody ever checked to see if the Constitution has ever taken a breath?  I know it sounds like an idiotic question, but there's so many people in the Democratic Party that say's the Constitution is a living, breathing document.  Seems to me it's basic ideals that were put down on paper for people to follow.  It was never meant to be interpreted for more than it states on the paper.

I would love to join a group that gets back to the original thoughts of these papers, maybe in a party such as it would be, maybe the Constitution Party.

Ron Paul seems to firmly and completely operate from this basis.  There are a few aspects that concern me too but I have that problem with any candidate.  Fiscally, he's conservative.  We're gonna need that as we endure the recession.  Strangely, all the candidates, even Obama, has been comparing themselves to Reagan.  Take a look at Ron Paul's connection to Reagan.  He probably has the strongest claim to that mantle.

I'm just scared by his international policies.

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I think I'll be joining the revolution below
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/

The distinction between the Conservative party platform and that of the Libertarian party pertains primarily to social issues (abortion, gay marriage, drug use, prostitution, etc.).  On economic policy and views about the size and power of government, there is much in common.

I took a quiz that I found in a magazine the other day that consisted of a series of 10 or 12 questions.  1/2 of the questions pertained to social issues.  The other half to economic issues.  The score determined your position on the Conservative party-Libertarian party scale.  I scored very close to the threshold between the parties but was on the Conservative party side of the line.

Ron Paul's positions on the economy and the size and power of government have appeal.  Further, he strongly opposes illegal immigration, a position that all of the other remaining candidates have expressed tacit opposition or support.

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And if I may ask a question of anybody here.  Has anybody ever checked to see if the Constitution has ever taken a breath?  I know it sounds like an idiotic question, but there's so many people in the Democratic Party that say's the Constitution is a living, breathing document.  Seems to me it's basic ideals that were put down on paper for people to follow.  It was never meant to be interpreted for more than it states on the paper.

Much like the Bible, the meaning of the words written in the Constitution are being interpreted by those who want to change the founding principles of our nation to suit their personal or political objectives.  The words contained in the Bible, the Constitution, and the Declaration of Independence have not changed, with the exception of amendments to the Constitution.  Their meaning today is the same as it was when the words were written.

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Much like the Bible, the meaning of the words written in the Constitution are being interpreted by those who want to change the founding principles of our nation to suit their personal or political objectives.  The words contained in the Bible, the Constitution, and the Declaration of Independence have not changed, with the exception of amendments to the Constitution.  Their meaning today is the same as it was when the words were written.

BRAVO!! BRAVO!!
Well said Brad. Well said.

Ron Paul.....yeah....go for him....if there is less government control with $$ then that will pull away from government funded liberal ideas such as government funded abortions.....no $$ =no service....this is a very basic American (or human) idea no Bible involved......very simple....strangle the Beasts food chain.....

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I think that it's time for another tea party.

Well, well...Shadow has inadvertently tipped my hand.  The name of this thread was no accident...it was derived from the intended name of the new party I have been working to create for awhile now.  The Boston Tea Party was a seminal event in our history and one that always held special appeal for me.

Platform, slogans, logos, etc are essentially in place already but I'm shooting for an official launch later this year after a fully functional website is complete.

Unofficially....welcome to The Tea Party.

Michael, don't forget to notify me when we're going to throw the tea in the harbour.

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Michael, don't forget to notify me when we're going to throw the tea in the harbour.

Why use a harbor when we have such a nice river?

Ok Kevin we'll use the river it's closer.

Then again, there's always Central Park.

Michael let us all know when the Tea Party will 'launch'!!

Michael,
You must have read Politically Incorrect Guide to American History?

Sorry, Senders I didn't.  Wasn't that book some sort of revisionist history attempt?  I don't go in for that sort of material..or conspiracy theories, etc. either.

No--as for conspiracy theory, there is none...just a dark spiral that we all follow, known or unknown. The closest to conspiracy theory is a 'common enemy theory' and propaganda....

Well, I hope I'm not propagating a dark spiral!   :)  I'm all about the light....really.   Go into the light...or was it DON'T go into the light....I can never remember... :)

I think it depends on how close you are to the light. ;D

After the Clemens hearings--I would call that a spiral into darkness. You have nothing to worry about Michael. Your goals are true as far as I can tell.

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Go into the light...or was it DON'T go into the light....I can never remember.

It depends if you were watching the movie Poltergeist or reading the book Life After Death.

There are two types of people who post on this forum which is a microcosm of our nation.

The first category is one in which the members believe that the government is the solution to all problems.  Individuals belonging to this group look to and become dependent on the government to provide for their needs as they are incapable of or unwilling to provide for themselves.  They support the creation of programs that provide basic and extended services to the public.  They espouse the need for increased spending to support social programs.  Individuals in this group support increased taxes to pay for growth in the size and the cost of government.  That is, increases in taxation for everyone but themselves because they believe that others, who they perceive as having more than they do, don't deserve to keep what they have earned through hard work.  Members of this group believe that the free enterprise system should be penalized for success. They believe that the government will make better decisions about spending, family values, education, etc. than private citizens are capable of.  Many of the members of this first group are recipients of some type of public assistance.

The second category contains members who are self-sufficient in most areas of life.  They generally view the government as being the cause of many of our problems, rather than the solution.  Individuals in this group provide for themselves, bear personal accountability for their actions, and don't fault others for their own misfortunes.  Members of this group don't look to the government for a handout in the form of a taxpayer supported program.  They prefer a smaller, less intrusive, and less expensive government.  They believe that government spending of public revenues (taxes) yields less return on investment than private investment because, among other things, of the cost of the bloated government bureacracy and the corruption of those involved.  Individuals in this group often work multiple jobs to satisfy their debts and to pay the taxes that support those who belong to the first group above.

I am proud to admit that I am a member of the second category.  I believe that I am more capable of and committed to providing for my family and raising and educating my children than our elected officials.  Ask yourself this, in which category do you belong?  ??)

I'm glad to say that I'm in the second group as well. That was a great description of the difference between the groups Brad.

Brad, that was an excellent depiction of how this country is divided. And may I also say that I am very proud to be a part of the second group. Sometimes I feel like I am drowning in government bureaucracy of over taxing and government programs! But I'm an optimist and believe change will happen.

That's a fact Brad---NO ONE puts food on my table but myself,,,and if that means I have to move somewhere else to get the food then that is what I need to do. If the whole clan wants to come fine,,but ya'll cant fit in my car......NYS is taking up the whole backseat and hasn't given a red cent for gas money >:(

I love doing things for myself. I love to pat myself on my back for my accomplishments. And I will always take responsibilities for my bad choices. They too are mine!

Well, my time appears to be up as the big hand sweeps past twelve midnight.  Periodically, I like to enter a self-imposed exile to reflect and replenish.  I'll still be paying attention, participating at public meetings, and posting my views on my blog occasionally...but you'll likely not see me interact on this forum again for some time.

Fight the good fight and remember...there is always hope.

Good luck with your campaign Michael :)

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How about some of you running for public office?  Based on past posts to this forum, many of you appear to have conservative values.  Shadow, Bumble, Michael, MobileTerminal, JoAnn, Cicero et. al.  Care to serve?  Soon, the Conservative party will be open to all who share in the traditional Conservative ideology.

My time approaches, Brad.  :)  But though my views may overlap those of Conservatives, I prefer to sleep alone...for exactly all the maneuvering currently going on.  I doubt my intended party will cause much of a stir, let alone an effort to hijack it.  The luxury I'll enjoy is being able to create the underlying ideology and won't have to worry about rankling any membership.

I have not decided yet whether a run for office is appropriate for me, but no matter what I decide, I'll stay actively involved.

Sometimes Brad, people can be more "influential" or "caustic" if you will, outside of party guidelines and not responsible to a party boss. I choose to retain anonymity to remain a thorn in their sides :)

I don't know how much political weight a party of one would carry.  It cost a lot of money to get the message out.  Unless your last name is Bloomberg, I don't think our hometown newspaper is going to be much use to you.  I can understand wanting to transcend politics, but I think that's just a catch phrase that is nearly impossible to achieve if you want to accomplish anything.  I'm sorry if I seem negative or cynical, it's just the way I see things.  But good luck with your endeavor, hopefully you can create a new political dialog in not just Rotterdam but Schenectady County politics.

I understand and respect all of your positions.  I wish you well Michael.  I would be interested in speaking with you should you wish to run for office.

For me, I chose to remain with the Conservative party in which I have been a member for 30 years.  If I am successful in my run for the party committee, I will try to change the tone of politics from within.

I have been an idealist all of my life and continue to believe that government can work FOR the people.  I am beholden to no one and will act as such.  I have long held principles and ideals and don't plan to abandon them or compromise in my beliefs at this point in my life.

Like MT, I suspect that my role may also be more effective working from outside the system.  I will, however, contemplate a run for elected office in the future should I be approached by
a party that is interested in endorsing me.  There is little civility in politics.  Though I have "no skeletons in my closet", I will have to consider if I want myself and my family dragged through the mud with those who prefer to wallow there.

Michael, you are yet another, among many, who are somewhat dissatisfied with our present political system. One of many that are looking for transparency and accountability from our elected officials in local, state and federal government. And to hopefully create a government that serves the people. Not 'self serving.' My best to you!