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Posted by: Admin, June 16, 2007, 9:23pm
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R O T T E R D A M
Walgreen’s plan up for board approval
BY MATT VOLKE Gazette Reporter
Plans to tear down the Capitol Plaza in Rotterdam for a Walgreen’s drug store will be eligible for approval Tuesday, and the public will have a chance to speak.
The Rotterdam Planning Commission will be conducting a final site plan review at 7 p.m. at Town Hall, 1100 Sunrise Blvd., along with a public hearing on the project.
HDB Ventures, which has offices in Skaneateles, New Jersey and Connecticut, has a proposal for a 14,700-square-foot drug store with 65 parking spaces, and will require Capitol Plaza to be demolished.
The plaza was the town’s first mall, built in the mid-1950s, and is zoned for commercial use, allowing a drug store.
There are 14 small businesses in the plaza, like a pizza shop, restaurant/bar, men’s clothing store, dance studio and printer.
Developers have said the leases of the tenants will be honored, and have said they are looking for alternative locations to place them.
HDB has the option to buy the property based on Planning Commission approval. Developers have said they are considering buying the Grand Union building on Hamburg Street to relocate businesses.
Planning Commission co-chairman Frank Renna said he plans to meet with some of the businesses today."I feel pretty secure they’ve been taking care of the tenants," Renna said.
Planning Commission member Robert Godlewski said he has concerns about both the potential loss of small businesses and traffic.
He also questioned the need for another pharmacy in that area. There is an Eckerd, a Rite Aid, which is proposing an expansion, a Hannaford and Price Chopper, both with pharmacies, and a Wal-Mart.
"I kind of like seeing all those businesses there," he said. "It’s one of the few places where you have such a selection of businesses. . . . I don’t want to lose that."
Both Godlewski, a Democrat, and Renna, a Republican, are running for Town Board in November for the only open seat.
Posted by: Admin, June 17, 2007, 9:19am; Reply: 1
Posted by: senders, June 17, 2007, 2:23pm; Reply: 2
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The plaza was the town’s first mall, built in the mid-1950s, and is zoned for commercial use, allowing a drug store.
Could have been historic site too.....tied into Mallozzis, Gabriels, Price Chopper etc.....history history history with panache and style... :)
Posted by: JoAnn, September 3, 2007, 12:10am; Reply: 3
LaBella's Beauty Salon is moving to Guilderland Ave. across from the Rite Aid.
Regal Dry Cleaners has already moved to Curry Road in the Fitzner's Canvas building across from Curry Freeze.
Posted by: biaggio, September 3, 2007, 1:48pm; Reply: 4
So when does it come down??? Anyone know the schedule for demolition to build ??
Posted by: bumblethru, September 3, 2007, 8:41pm; Reply: 5
I thought the spring of next year, but that could be old news. Newest Lunch still has to relocate.
Posted by: mikechristine1, September 3, 2007, 11:40pm; Reply: 6
How about Newest going into part of the old Grand Onion?
Or at the pool hall that is supposed to close (well, they might be competition for Scarboroughs
Posted by: biaggio, September 4, 2007, 6:40am; Reply: 7
hamburg street doesnt need ( want ) that business....
Posted by: mikechristine1, September 4, 2007, 7:29pm; Reply: 8
biaggio, are you replying to me about Newest? Just curious why not. But, admitedly I haven't gone there except once when they first opened. I don't know if they changed, but I think when they originally opened we thought they also would have the hot dogs with the great sauce like the place on Albany St. They didn't then and we haven't been there since, something else always was ahead of that Newest for us.
Posted by: bumblethru, September 4, 2007, 8:52pm; Reply: 9
Funny you should say that, cause I went when they first opened anticipating the great hot dogs they use to be known for. I had a hot dog and fries and haven't been back since. Redwood's hot dog sauce is 'okay'...but Broadway Lunch still is #1 for me!!
Posted by: biaggio, September 4, 2007, 9:16pm; Reply: 10
Newest lunch draws bands late night crowds that drive drunk.......I have been in there ....Fights etc....There was also a stabbing in there...Not your regular tavern environment......I dont want to see it around here....Why do you think they are the last to leave ???? Why bring what you are looking to keep away...
Posted by: Rene, September 5, 2007, 4:50pm; Reply: 11
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Both Godlewski, a Democrat, and Renna, a Republican, are running for Town Board in November for the only open seat.
I thought Godlewski was running for County Leg.?
Posted by: BIGK75, September 5, 2007, 4:54pm; Reply: 12
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Both Godlewski, a Democrat, and Renna, a Republican, are running for Town Board in November for the only open seat.
I thought Godlewski was running for County Leg.?
This comment was from 2006.
Posted by: Rene, September 5, 2007, 5:33pm; Reply: 13
Duh, I see that now.........
Posted by: Shadow, September 5, 2007, 6:20pm; Reply: 14
You scared me with that one Rene.
Posted by: bumblethru, September 5, 2007, 8:29pm; Reply: 15
ME TOO...I was ready to jump off a bridge!! :D
Posted by: bumblethru, September 18, 2007, 11:36pm; Reply: 16
From what I hear, Walgreens bought out the remainder of the lease for Newest Lunch. When the building is ready to come down, Newest Lunch will leave and not re-locate/re-open again.
Posted by: Admin, January 9, 2008, 9:02am; Reply: 17
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ROTTERDAM
Capitol Plaza nearly cleared of businesses
Walgreens drugstore will be built on property
BY JUSTIN MASON Gazette Reporter
Like the rest of the nearly barren Capitol Plaza, the storefront at Newest Lunch remained dark Tuesday evening.
Inside, a scattering of booths and kitchen equipment was all that remained of the bar and grill that once bustled in the 1950s-era shopping center. The restaurant was one of the final businesses moved from Capitol Plaza last month, as HDB Ventures prepares to take ownership of the soon-to-be demolished building at Curry Road and Altamont Avenue.
“If you drive by,
you’ll find an empty plaza,” said Bob Blank, a partner with HDB Ventures.
Of the 15 businesses once located in the building, only Alesio Chiropractic remains. Blank said the owner of the plaza — Jeff Musiker — is relocating the business.
Blank expects to complete the purchase of the building later this month and demolish it in late February or early March.
The site should take about a week to clear, with work beginning on a 4,550-square-foot Walgreens drugstore shortly thereafter. Blank said the new drugstore should be built within five months and is anticipated to open sometime during the fall.
Members of the town Planning Board approved the project in July 2006, but stipulated that the developer would need to acquire an eighth of an acre nearby the shopping center to ensure adequate parking. A dispute over the strip’s ownership stalled the project for nearly a year.
In April, officials from the state Department of Transportation determined that the land belonged to Schenectady County, which promptly sold the parcel to HDB Ventures for $25,000. The sale wasn’t confi rmed until December.
Meanwhile, the last vestiges of the shopping center are being liquidated, said George Keleshian, who is running the sale of all remaining equipment in the building for Musiker.
Keleshian said any item not sold Monday will be moved at an auction on Jan. 17.
Keleshian said an assortment of items from the New- est Lunch — including most of the bar signs and even the bar fixtures — have already been snapped up by restaurant owners around the Capital Region.
Still, he said thousands of dollars worth of commercial kitchen equipment, restaurant furnishings and other remnants — everything from the doors to air conditioning units — remain to be sold.
“Everything is being sold for 10 cents to 15 cents on the dollar,” he said.
Posted by: bumblethru, June 10, 2008, 11:34pm; Reply: 18
Okay...it has been amost SIX MONTHS since all of the businesses located in the old capital plaza relocated. When will that beast come down? When is Walgreens going to start their development?
Posted by: MobileTerminal, June 11, 2008, 12:25am; Reply: 19
Funny, I was just talking to another business man about this yesterday - there's NOTHING happening ... it's like the entire project just died. The property looks like hell, it's time to $hit or get off the pot for Walgreens and the development company. CVS on Altamont and Chrisler is humming right along - on schedule for a fall opening (or sooner based on their progress).
Posted by: bumblethru, June 11, 2008, 11:49pm; Reply: 20
It's like the building on the corner of Curry Road and Guilderland Ave.. CVS bought it...and the property, that looks like it's ready to fall down with a good wind, just sits there....empty!!!
Posted by: JRaup, June 13, 2008, 3:23am; Reply: 21
It's like the building on the corner of Curry Road and Guilderland Ave.. CVS bought it...and the property, that looks like it's ready to fall down with a good wind, just sits there....empty!!!
The problem with this one is that CVS needs the property behind it for a parking lot. Until that happens they can't build, and the owners aren't willing to sell at this time.
Posted by: bumblethru, June 13, 2008, 1:46pm; Reply: 22
I would have thought that CVS would have bought all of the properties all at the same time. It could be years before the other property owners get their price and sell. So in the mean time we have to look at this deteriorating building every time we go through that intersection.
Posted by: MobileTerminal, June 13, 2008, 3:38pm; Reply: 23
The hold up, as I understand it, was First Class Products and 4 Corners Pizza who have a LONG term lease with First Class. The cost to buy them out was VERY high, making it not as attractive to CVS.
They can wait it out longer than a tanking pizza shop.
Posted by: bumblethru, June 13, 2008, 5:07pm; Reply: 24
I think you are correct. I remember hearing that as well. I don't really know if the pizza place is 'tanking'. I don't go there so I don't know.
It would be nice if CVS at least tore the bulding down. In fact I think the town should insist on it, if they can. It looks absolutely terrible, right along with Capital Plaza, the old Grand Union, Eckhards(guilderland ave.), the library on the corner of guilderland and Roselawn and the Curry Rd shopping plaza beast. And how many years will Crounse's old farm house and barn by I88 remain standing?
Posted by: senders, June 16, 2008, 11:11pm; Reply: 25
CVS should be given a time limit to fixing up the property whether they are in the building or not.........AND----it should have specs from our impressive town comp plan.......
Posted by: Michael, June 30, 2008, 11:18pm; Reply: 26
So what is the deal with Capitol Plaza? According to the January article, Walgreens should be nearly complete by now. It's a prime location so even in a difficult environment or if the Walgreens deal is dead, I would imagine there would be plenty of players in the wings. All the same, I'm surprised at the lack of activity since they cleared out the tenants.
Posted by: bumblethru, July 1, 2008, 11:39pm; Reply: 27
I thought the hold up was DOT and Walgreens needing some of the public road for parking. There was something about the street that runs in back of the Plaza that runs from Curry to Altamont. I don't recall exactly...it was such a long time ago. :-/
Posted by: senders, July 1, 2008, 11:40pm; Reply: 28
It should be called Stall-greens......my observation is the waiting for sewers and the like......
Posted by: JRaup, July 2, 2008, 5:41pm; Reply: 29
I thought the hold up was DOT and Walgreens needing some of the public road for parking. There was something about the street that runs in back of the Plaza that runs from Curry to Altamont. I don't recall exactly...it was such a long time ago. :-/
I thought that the exemption had been approved? Or am I misremembering that?
Posted by: bumblethru, July 2, 2008, 10:36pm; Reply: 30
I thought that the exemption had been approved? Or am I misremembering that?
You might be right. It has been so long that I don't remember either.
Posted by: Kevin March, July 3, 2008, 5:35pm; Reply: 31
Maybe it's our required suspension of disbelief.
Posted by: bumblethru, July 3, 2008, 7:04pm; Reply: 32
Sometimes I think this stuff is deliberately kept quiet just so that we can't voice our opinions. And perhaps they will hope that we'll just forget about it until we see the bull dozers.
Posted by: JRaup, July 8, 2008, 7:50pm; Reply: 33
I wonder if the watermain break, which looked like it flooded part of the Capitol Plaza will spur the take down of the building. Maybe the Town could condemn the building from the water damage. Nahhh..that'd be too easy.
Posted by: Michael, July 31, 2008, 12:00pm; Reply: 34
Posted by: Admin, July 31, 2008, 12:33pm; Reply: 35
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Walgreens drops Rotterdam move
After 14 businesses depart Capital Plaza, Illinois drug chain cancels expansion plan
By ALAN WECHSLER, Business writer
First published: Thursday, July 31, 2008
ROTTERDAM -- First the pizza place departed. Then the printing store left. The men's shop followed, as did the salon, the lunch spot and the chiropractic office.
By early 2008, 14 tenants had left the Capital Plaza, a 50-year-old shopping center at the busy corner of Curry Road and Altamont Avenue.
But it was all for naught. It seems plans for a Walgreens drug store -- the reason for this retail diaspora -- have been abandoned.
"Walgreens has no plans for a store in Rotterdam, N.Y.," wrote Carol Hively, a Walgreens spokeswoman, in response to a recent query on the status of the store. She did not respond to requests for more information.
The Deerfield, Ill.-based company operates nearly 6,300 stores, but has slowed down its expansion plans to save $500 million in the next three years, the company announced in early July.
Two years ago, developers had won approval to build a 14,700-square-foot Walgreens drugstore at 1925 Curry Road. HDB Ventures LLC of New Jersey had planned to demolish the plaza and begin construction last year.
It never happened. Property owner Jeff Musiker said HDB Ventures never even bought the property from him, despite a contract dating back more than two years. He said he's heard nothing about Walgreens abandoning the project.
"I don't know what's going to happen," he said. "As far as I know, Walgreens has a commitment."
Calls to HDB weren't returned.
The delay has left Musiker holding a plaza with no tenants. With storefronts empty and weeds growing around the perimeter, it's become an eyesore for the town and a weight on Musiker's back.
"I'm sitting on a building with no income and all the expenses," said Musiker, a stockbroker and financial adviser with Wachovia who owns the property through his own business, IJM Associates. "I might have to put it back as a shopping center."
That may not be so easy. Most tenants have set up shop elsewhere in town.
"We're doing very well," said Jacquie Bond, owner of La Bella Salon. She left her space at Capital Plaza in January and bought a two-story building down the road.
"It was a lot of work, and we had to rush to do it," she said. "It's kind of ironic -- all the hard times we all went through, and now to see (Walgreens) fall through."
Anthony Denning, owner of Vincy's Printing, moved two blocks to a building he now owns.
"We're doing fine in our new spot," he said. "It's probably one of the best things I ever did."
The plaza was built in the 1950s with a variety of spaces on several levels for both offices and stores. It brought a lot of independent businesses together in an area increasingly being taken over by chain stores.
Town officials say they still haven't lost hope that Walgreens will come in. On Wednesday, Peter Comenzo, the senior planner, had just phoned Musiker, the property owner, to ask him to clean up the property.
"It was nice in its heyday," said Lawrence DiLallo, the town's Planning Commission chairman. "It's not nice anymore."
Alan Wechsler can be reached at 454-5469 or by e-mail at awechsler@timesunion.com.
Posted by: Kevin March, July 31, 2008, 3:50pm; Reply: 36
Where's the Metroplex when you need it???
Posted by: biaggio, July 31, 2008, 4:29pm; Reply: 37
where's you brain when you need it....
Posted by: MobileTerminal, July 31, 2008, 5:02pm; Reply: 38
Where's the Metroplex when you need it???
They've spent their wad giving facade grants. Gotta be time to apply for more funding sometime soon.
Posted by: bumblethru, July 31, 2008, 10:21pm; Reply: 39
I'm speechless! ALL of those tenants that were forced to move out for nothing. Although it appears that they have all found much nicer places to set up business.
And now Rotterdam is left with yet another empty beast. In our decaying economic times, the owner will be hard pressed to find tenants. Good ones that is! What a shame.
Posted by: B GAGE, August 1, 2008, 1:01am; Reply: 40
The owner has to find new tenants!!! i can not feel sorry for him after his other tenants had to scramble for new locations :D
Posted by: MobileTerminal, August 1, 2008, 1:14am; Reply: 41
I dont feel sorry for him at all - he made $ on this deal, and all the tenants, while inconvenienced, were compensated VERY well. Don't believe me? Ask the owner of Newest Lunch when he comes back from his worldwide tour funded by the lease buyout.
Posted by: Admin, August 1, 2008, 7:39am; Reply: 42
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ROTTERDAM
Walgreens backs out of Capitol Plaza
BY JUSTIN MASON Gazette Reporter
After more than three years of maneuvering and the relocation of more than a dozen businesses from Capitol Plaza, Walgreens has decided against opening one of its pharmacies there.
The plan had been to demolish the 1950s-era shopping center at busy Curry Road and Altamont Avenue. But spokeswoman Carol Hively said Walgreens recently decided against opening a drug store at that location, and she offered no further explanation for the company’s decision.
“The bottom line is we not going to open a store in Rotterdam,” she said.
News of Walgreens withdrawal came as a surprise to most of those involved. Bob Blank, a principal with HDB and a developer for the chain drug store, said he was negotiating a deal on the property up until learning about the decision this week.
“I’m not going to buy it without Walgreens,” he said.
Blank suggested Walgreens’ recent downsizing of its expansion plans may have doomed the Rotterdam project. After opening more than 1,100 stores over the past three years, the nation’s largest pharmacy chain announced in July it would reduce store growth in 2010 and 2011 to conserve $500 million.
Jeff Musiker, owner of Capitol Plaza, was caught off guard by the apparent loss of the sale after insisting the deal would go through for the past three months.
“It’s very frustrating,” he said Thursday. “I basically have an empty plaza and all the expenses I had before.”
Musiker was unclear about the property’s future, but said several other companies had inquired about the location over the past few years. Without a deal with Blank, he said, he plans to renovate and re-rent the plaza which sits at one of Rotterdam’s busiest intersections.
“One thing that cannot be denied is that the plaza is in a great location,” he said. “There is no better place to do business in Rotterdam.”
In 2005, developers proposed demolishing Capitol Plaza to make way for the 14,700-square-foot pharmacy and a 65-space parking lot. Opponents of the project — mainly the plaza’s 14 business tenants — argued there were already too many chain pharmacies in the town and that another would merely displace viable businesses.
But Blank insisted his company would help relocate the businesses with long-term leases to other areas of the town. He even suggested the company might help provide money for their move, provided the project received town approval.
In July 2006, the Rotterdam Planning Commission accepted the plans contingent on the developer acquiring a sliver of state Department of Transportation-owned land adjacent to the plaza which it said was needed to allow enough room for the proposed parking lot.
Plans for the project remained stalled until it was determined the land actually belonged to Schenectady County, which promptly sold it to Musiker for $25,000 in April 2007.
With demolition seeming inevitable, many of the businesses vacated Capitol Plaza. Alesio Chiropractic was the last to leave the building in February, with Blank assuring the project would move forward sometime in March.
Since that time, the project’s special use permit for the Walgreens’ drivethrough has expired. And this week, town officials approached Musiker about upkeep on the derelict property.
“It’s an eyesore,” said Planning Commission Chairman Lawrence DiLallo. “We looked forward to having a new building in that site and now we don’t know what’s in store for us.”
Capitol Plaza is among three dilapidated commercial properties along the Curry Road corridor. Plans to redevelop the mostly vacant Curry Road Shopping Center into 94 condominiums has remained stalled for nearly a year, while there seem to be no plans in the works to redevelop a dilapidated mixed-use building at the Guilderland Avenue intersection after it was purchased by CVS Pharmacy in March.
Meanwhile, many of the business owners that once occupied Capitol Plaza say they’ve experienced more success at their new locations than in the aging mini-mall, which they said was short on parking and occasionally flooded.
Terri Ferrara, one of the owners of the Ferrara Dance Studio, said being forced out of the plaza where her business was located for more than four decades was a blessing in disguise.
“There’s a silver lining in every cloud,” she said of her new location on Hamburg Street, near the Fasula Boulevard intersection. “For us we’re much happier where we are now.”
However, the move didn’t come cheap. Ferrara said the studio spent about $12,000 to build the wood floor at its new location, a cost that Blank had initially pledged to cover.
Nearly a year after the move, Ferrara is still waiting. She said she last contacted Blank in March, when the developer insisted he’d cover her expenses once his deal with Musiker was signed. It was the last time she heard from him, she said.
“It was nothing but an empty promise,” she said.
Likewise, the management at Regal Dry Cleaners said the business hadn’t received any help in relocating. Denise Skokan said the company was on a month-to-month lease, so there was never any compulsion for the developers to help them move them to their new spot off Curry Road.
“It’s turned out to be a much better location, so they actually did us a favor,” she said.
Posted by: senders, August 3, 2008, 9:13am; Reply: 43
Oh well, we can put in the historical books just like the curry road plaza......that is what we will be known for ....a nice place to live among crappy empty buildings......all while forking over money to metroplex.......go figure.......while I find the novel idea of metroplex to be a good thing.....I think owners/investors should be held more accountable......and maybe working more closely with 'the government' babysitter/feeder to teach folks to fish rather than to hand out the fish would serve us/ourselves better.......after all our government IS us and our society........ya'll better spread it around better......
Posted by: bumblethru, August 3, 2008, 3:29pm; Reply: 44
Well at least we have another landmark to use when giving directions.
'Pass the EMPTY old Grand Union (Hamburg St), take a right on Curry and pass the EMPTY Capital Plaza. Take a left on Curry and pass the EMPTY Curry Road Shopping Center. Go straight until you come to the EMPTY (we don't know what to call it) building on the corner of Curry and Guilderland Ave.. Take a right on Guilderland and take a left on Vischer Ave and pass the EMPTY old Draper school.'
And who says we need a GPS?
Posted by: Salvatore, August 3, 2008, 10:36pm; Reply: 45
this is the handy work of Stevie T who held up things when he could have acted. Also they didnt make the payments to each and every businessman either from what I heard which is sadly a statement again on Stevie T.
Posted by: bumblethru, August 3, 2008, 11:23pm; Reply: 46
I fail to see what Steve Tommasone had to do with this. It was a private sale and was approved by the town and had the green light to move forward.
Posted by: Salvatore, August 4, 2008, 1:12am; Reply: 47
see you admit it was approved by the town and who is running our town over here?
Posted by: Admin, August 4, 2008, 7:32am; Reply: 48
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The drugstore that never came to Rotterdam
What a fiasco the Walgreens that was supposed to be built at Capitol Plaza in Rotterdam has turned out to be. The drugstore chain’s decision not to come after all means that 14 viable local businesses were displaced for nothing, and the plaza’s owner and town are left with an empty shopping center at a major intersection: Curry Road and Altamont Avenue. If the owner can renovate and re-rent the place, which he says he plans to do, the town could actually be better off — but with would-be tenants seeing the way he operated in this case, that’s a pretty big if.
We opposed this project from the beginning because a funky 1950s-era shopping center with a neat sign, densely packed with local businesses, looks better, employs more people and serves more people’s needs than a large, chain-owned, suburban-style drugstore — especially when there are already several others nearby in town. This last fact also raises the possibility that Walgreens could have put one or more of those other drugstores out of business and left a big, empty building standing there for a long time, just like the old Eckerd on State Street in Schenectady.
Now we know that these drugstore chains not only might leave, they might not even come after they say they will. The Capitol Plaza owner who was going to get a big payday for his property never did, and the tenants with long-term leases who the developer suggested might get money to help them relocate, never did and never will.
The town, which is looking to encourage small businesses and make its main commercial corridors more pedestrian-friendly and attractive, should make clear, through changed zoning if necessary, that it wants the same thing for Capitol Plaza.
Posted by: senders, August 4, 2008, 10:59pm; Reply: 49
Another sad priority of our society....quick cash---the gold mine---the easy street----the next reality get rich quick show.....no matter what the crap your selling is----we'll buy it and someone gets rich......SHOW ME THE MONEY TRAIL........
Posted by: Salvatore, August 4, 2008, 11:36pm; Reply: 50
see th epeople never got the money- who gets sued first?
Posted by: Kevin March, August 5, 2008, 12:28am; Reply: 51
Maybe this whole thing can be either ripped down or renovated.
New town hall? New Community Center?
I HAVE to tell you that I was up in D'Burg today and the new Community Center they have is MAGNIFICENT.
Posted by: Salvatore, August 5, 2008, 12:44am; Reply: 52
really? I wasnt sure if they had a town hall or not. Is it in Princetown?
Posted by: Kevin March, August 5, 2008, 1:09am; Reply: 53
Well, Duanesburg's town hall is on Rt. 20, going west from Rt 7, just after you pass under the railroad bridge. The new community center is off of 395 down in Delanson. You can't see it from 395, but it looks nice when you get down to it.
Posted by: bumblethru, August 5, 2008, 5:54pm; Reply: 54
I would like to see the contract between Walgreens and the owner of the property. There had to be a stipulation with a timeline for Walgreens to change their mind on the purchase. Clearly an attorney would have covered that to protect the property owner.
Posted by: Admin, August 8, 2008, 7:23am; Reply: 55
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Town should use Capitol Plaza for own business
Re Aug. 1 article, “Walgreens backs out of Capitol Plaza”: Since Walgreens has definitely decided not to purchase Capitol Plaza on Curry Road, many residents of Rotterdam are of the opinion that the town should consider purchasing this property for the construction of a new, centrally located, state-of-the-art public safety building that would house the Rotterdam Town Court and police station.
Anyone who visits the courts in surrounding towns in our county or adjacent counties can easily see that our present facilities are antiquated, insufficient and a fire trap, as well as being dangerous to the litigants, attorneys and court staff. Our town court, police and residents deserve much better.
I am asking that the town board consider purchasing the property to construct a public safety building that we can be proud of, one that would take us out of the 18th century and bring us into the 21st century.
THOMAS E. DELORENZO
Rotterdam The writer is an attorney.
Posted by: Shadow, August 8, 2008, 9:12am; Reply: 56
The town had the old Curry Rd shopping center and still opted to sell it to a developer who may or may not build new condo's there due to the economy. That's helping to lower our taxes, not.
Posted by: bumblethru, August 8, 2008, 9:46am; Reply: 57
I am glad that Mr. DeLorenzo is not on the Rotterdam Planning Board!
Posted by: MobileTerminal, August 8, 2008, 9:46am; Reply: 58
I hear Draper School is available to purchase ...
/me ducks
Posted by: Kevin March, August 8, 2008, 11:55am; Reply: 59
I would have to say that although the Draper School may be a good place, the Capitol Plaza is definitely a more centralized location, with the entrances / exits to Curry Road and Altamont Ave.
Posted by: MobileTerminal, August 8, 2008, 12:49pm; Reply: 60
I would have to say that although the Draper School may be a good place, the Capitol Plaza is definitely a more centralized location, with the entrances / exits to Curry Road and Altamont Ave.
However, it's hardly the "center" of town. It's 1/2 mile to the city line down Altamont, a mile to the Guilderland border down curry - at least 12 miles from Rotterdam Junction, gotta be 5-6miles to Rotterdam Square and the Burdeck St / Rt 7 corridor. It's also a PITA to get into and out of the parking areas, especially during rush hour on Curry Road and flooding of the parking lot is an issue as well.
It'd take serious money, time and labor (ie studies) to make this suitable for a "public safety" building, whereas Curry Rd Shopping Center, Draper School, even the corner of Guilderland/Curry would be, I would think, more hospitable and closer and easily accessible to the central parts of town.
Posted by: bumblethru, August 8, 2008, 2:02pm; Reply: 61
I think Capital Plaza should not even be an option. For one, it's location is in Rotterdam's retail area. Not a good fit. I also have heard that Mohonasen is interested in the old Draper School.
And before I would be seeking out land/buildings that would cost the taxpayers by paying for a new location PLUS by taking property off of our tax rolls, I would get bids on what it would cost to refurbish and expand the existing building we already own.
IF that is not a sound financial move and purchasing new land for a new building is the only option, the triangle that Judy Dagostino sold to Mr. Larned appears to be a perfect fit to me. IMHO
Posted by: Shadow, August 8, 2008, 3:00pm; Reply: 62
The town has already said that they want the new town complex to be located near the 5 corners area as there's easy access to all areas of the town from that location.
Posted by: Rene, August 8, 2008, 11:46pm; Reply: 63
really? I wasnt sure if they had a town hall or not. Is it in Princetown?
Why would the Duanesburg Town Hall be located in Princetown? Yes we have a town hall, it is very modest and not nearly large enough to accomodate our needs, but we do have one. You should come out and visit us sometime. We even have running water and indoor toilets ;)
Posted by: Shadow, August 9, 2008, 9:03am; Reply: 64
Posted by: JoAnn, August 9, 2008, 4:55pm; Reply: 65
The town has already said that they want the new town complex to be located near the 5 corners area as there's easy access to all areas of the town from that location.
That is what I remember also.
Posted by: Kevin March, August 10, 2008, 5:37pm; Reply: 66
Why would the Duanesburg Town Hall be located in Princetown? Yes we have a town hall, it is very modest and not nearly large enough to accomodate our needs, but we do have one. You should come out and visit us sometime. We even have running water and indoor toilets ;)

Posted by: Admin, August 16, 2008, 8:02am; Reply: 67
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Rotterdam should look into idea for Capitol Plaza
This is regarding the Aug. 8 letter from Thomas DeLorenzo about Capitol Plaza and Walgreens.
I have never been to a Walgreens, and from the way they bullied into the Capitol Plaza, forcing everyone to move to new locations and then not taking over the nowempty space, I don’t think I want to visit a Walgreens. That aside, I agree with Mr. DeLorenzo [who suggested turning the plaza into a public safety building].
Most of the town residents I spoke to in the past were not happy with the plaza emptying out to make way for yet another drug store, but town officials decided to go ahead with it anyway.
Now let’s make this plaza into something useful again. Mr. DeLorenzo’s suggestion is a good one and it should be looked into.
JANN CHASE
Schenectady
Posted by: JoAnn, August 16, 2008, 1:50pm; Reply: 68
I disagree. I also think it would not be a good fit for that area.
Posted by: Salvatore, August 16, 2008, 4:54pm; Reply: 69
Not a good idea indeed. Besides that spot where the town hall is would be empty since it is smak - dap in a residential neighborhood and they wont tolerate some business going in overe there at all. All you would be doing is raising our taxes. Fix up town hall a little and the policemen should get the state of the arts headquarters to keep up with the criminials since they tell me they cant fight crime with how it is going now in that old building
Posted by: senders, August 20, 2008, 8:21pm; Reply: 70
'The Town' cant tell private businesses or homeowners whom they can sell/or not sell too......they only make designations of areas based on our
Comprehensive Plan,,,,of which we seem to be lacking.....
Posted by: Admin, August 21, 2008, 8:20am; Reply: 71
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Intersection too busy for new Rotterdam police station
Re Aug. 8 letter, “Town should use Capitol Plaza for own business,” by Thomas E. DeLorenzo: First of all, I believe that Rotterdam police do need to look into getting a new station. I also am a little upset that a plaza that was there for so long was to be demolished for yet another drugstore.
I have talked to a few people since hearing that Walgreens had decided against bringing their business to this busy intersection. When I was speaking with them, I favored putting the new police station there. I have since changed my mind. Why?
First, have you ever tried to drive through Curry Road/Altamont Avenue during rush hour? What do you think would be the consequence of the authorities needing to respond out of an entrance onto either one of these streets during this busy time of day?
Second, think of the additional time this would add to responses for the entire town, including Rotterdam Junction and Pattersonville. They are all part of the Rotterdam budget, overseen by the Rotterdam Town Board and protected by Rotterdam police. Let’s look at how much more time it would take to respond to a call in Pattersonville (since it is the most outlying area). This is an additional two miles, or five to 10 minutes depending on traffic, for any response.
While I realize they would be responding with lights and sirens when someone is calling 911 for an emergency, do you want the response to be that much slower? While this may be a good central location for Rotterdam proper, we need to think of all areas of town while making these decisions, not just the parts people think about every day.
I do believe we need to make this plaza area into something that could be used by everyone. While I don’t see Mr. DeLorenzo’s idea as best, maybe the plaza could be rebuilt into something to better the town, such as a new town hall or community center. Or, as another idea, maybe take down the entire thing and bring in someone else who wants to expand the town and county tax bases.
KEVIN MARCH
Rotterdam
Posted by: JoAnn, August 21, 2008, 9:50am; Reply: 72
Posted by: Salvatore, August 21, 2008, 11:49am; Reply: 73
this is good my friend indeed. I give you applause for your taking a stand and such and I agree with your comment.
Posted by: MobileTerminal, August 21, 2008, 8:06pm; Reply: 74
Walgreens plan for Rotterdam plaza back on
Thursday, August 21, 2008
By Justin Mason (Contact)
Gazette Reporter
ROTTERDAM — Plans for a Walgreens at the former Capitol Plaza are back on the table.
Less than three weeks after a spokeswoman disclosed the Illinois-based pharmacy was no longer interested in building a 14,700-square-foot store on the bustling corner of Altamont Avenue and Curry Road, a developer under contract with the company said plans are back on track. Bob Blank, a principal with HDB and a developer for the chain drug store, said he is anticipating preliminary work on the building to begin sometime next month.
“I’m going to move forward,” he said today. “We plan on proceeding with the plan as presented to the town.”
Town officials confirmed Blank’s intentions. Town Planning Commission Chairman Lawrence DiLallo said he met with Blank today to discuss advancing the project in accordance with what the town approved in 2006.
“He’s telling us he’s confident in the next couple of weeks, he’ll be able to resolve his contract issues with [Capitol Plaza owner] Jeff Musiker and go forward with the deal,” he said.
In 2005, developers proposed demolishing the kitschy 1950s-era shopping plaza to make way for the chain pharmacy and a 65-space parking lot. The project faced numerous setbacks, including a lengthy relocation of the plaza’s 14 business tenants and the acquisition of a sliver of state Department of Transportation-owned land adjacent to the plaza. The last business left the plaza in February, and Blank had initially discussed demolishing the structure in March.
Posted by: Kevin March, August 21, 2008, 9:44pm; Reply: 75
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Bob Blank, a principal with HDB and a developer for the chain drug store, said he is anticipating preliminary work on the building to begin sometime next month.
Is this a different type of speaking under anonymity? "Bob ____" Says...
Posted by: Rene, August 21, 2008, 11:17pm; Reply: 76
Very nice letter Kevin. I especially like the fact that you recognize the needs of the more rural areas of Rotterdam.
Posted by: Kevin March, August 22, 2008, 1:05am; Reply: 77
Thanks. Honestly, since the whole issue has come up with the new water tower out in the junction, I've been paying a little more attention to that.
Posted by: Admin, August 22, 2008, 8:12am; Reply: 78
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ROTTERDAM
Walgreens plan moving forward Company said plan was dead, developer says otherwise
BY JUSTIN MASON Gazette Reporter
Plans for a Walgreens at the former Capitol Plaza in Rotterdam are back on the table.
Less than three weeks after a spokeswoman disclosed that the Illinois-based pharmacy was no longer interested in a project to build a 14,700-square-foot store on the bustling corner of Altamont Avenue and Curry Road, a developer under contract with the company said plans are back on track. Bob Blank, a principal with HDB and a developer for the drugstore chain, said he is anticipating preliminary work on the building to begin sometime next month.
“I’m going to move forward,” he said during a phone interview Thursday. “We plan on proceeding with the plan as presented to the town.”
Town officials confirmed Blank’s intentions. Rotterdam Planning Commission Chairman Lawrence DiLallo said he met with Blank Thursday to discuss advancing the project in accordance with what the town approved in 2006.
“He’s telling us he’s confident in the next couple of weeks he’ll be able to resolve his contract issues with [Capitol Plaza owner] Jeff Musiker and go forward with the deal,” he said.
The Walgreens project is slated to be discussed by the commission during their fi rst meeting in September. DiLallo said Blank must reapply for a special-use permit he had received to add a drive-through to the building, since it expired earlier this year.
Town Planner Peter Comenzo said Blank seemed earnest in his efforts to build the Walgreens and even presented final drawings to the town during their meeting.
Attempts to contact Walgreens were unsuccessful Thursday.
In 2005, developers proposed demolishing the 1950s-era shopping plaza to make way for the chain pharmacy and a 65-space parking lot. The project faced numerous setbacks, including a lengthy relocation of the plaza’s 14 business tenants and the acquisition of a sliver of state Department of Transportation-owned land adjacent to the plaza.
The last business left the plaza in February, and Blank had initially discussed demolishing the structure in March. Then nearly five months later, a Walgreens spokeswoman disclosed that the company was no longer interested in locating a store in Rotterdam.
Initial reports of the deal’s apparent failure perplexed Blank, Musiker and town officials. At the time, Blank insisted that he would pursue the project, but not without Walgreens on board.
Blank said the apparent problems with the deal arose when Walgreens removed the project from their active project list. He said the company routinely opens about 400 stores per year, so it’s not difficult for some of the longer-term projects to fall out of their purview.
“The [Rotterdam] store had been removed from the list because it was put on hold,” he explained.
Blank said his discussions with Musiker have been in an attempt to make the project economically feasible. And while the deal hasn’t closed, he’s confident that the project will advance to the demolition phase sometime this fall.
“It’s been a bit of a dance,” he said of the ongoing project.
Posted by: senders, August 22, 2008, 3:47pm; Reply: 79
Okay, now that the 'work' is done on altamont ave. they can move on......interesting....very very interesting......however, I hope that our investment will
keep the store open and functioning unlike the empty drug store building on Brandywine/State.......we must be very very careful of the crap too close
together......it could end up just like the surrounding areas of the city......
timing is everything.......WHERE ARE THE SEWERS FOR HAMBURG STREET.......
cough cough cough.....geez,,,,the smoke is getting thicker and thicker......
Posted by: Kevin March, August 22, 2008, 10:00pm; Reply: 80
...at least you'll have a pharmacy nearby to get your antibiotics filled...the obe at Eckerd, the old CVS (until the new one opens up), or Walgreens (maybe, eventually...)
Posted by: bumblethru, August 22, 2008, 11:57pm; Reply: 81
The water issue just may have been a problem for Walgreens cause it has been ongoing for a very long time. Long before Walgreens came on the scene. Perhaps they got wind of it, huh? Perhaps they did their homework?
Posted by: senders, August 26, 2008, 10:33pm; Reply: 82
The water issue just may have been a problem for Walgreens cause it has been ongoing for a very long time. Long before Walgreens came on the scene. Perhaps they got wind of it, huh? Perhaps they did their homework?
Nah,,,,,they knew long beforehand.....these folks aren't stupid and certainly dont miss the cliffs as they walk......if anything they string
us along very nicely---credit and all......
Posted by: Michael, August 26, 2008, 11:32pm; Reply: 83
I don't find it mysterious at all. Like everything everywhere right now it's all about the economy. Most businesses are reigning in planned expansion on pure economics. McLanes, Von Roll, etc.
This deal may not be dead, just off the immediate radar and under review internally at the company, just as indicated in the article.
Whatever happens, this is a prime piece of real estate that will be redeveloped by someone in relatively short order, I think.
Posted by: Rene, August 27, 2008, 12:23am; Reply: 84
I tend to agree with you Michael.
Posted by: Admin, August 28, 2008, 6:48am; Reply: 85
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Best alternative for Rotterdam town offices
Re Aug. 8 letter, “Town should use Capitol Plaza for own business”: I think the town of Rotterdam should consider the property at 679 Mariaville Rd., the V Stream Manufacturing building, for the police station and all town offices.
The property has 7.5 acres that can be used for expansion if the building is not large enough to house all town departments. It is not far from the present police station, is easy to locate and has plenty of room for parking and a garage for the police cars. Who says the police station has to be in the middle of town?
PAT COOKINGHAM
Rotterdam
Posted by: Salvatore, August 28, 2008, 9:37am; Reply: 86
very mysterious indeed that the town needs a gigantic complex now, they just need a state of the art police station to get into the 21st century for our boys to keep them safe over here
Posted by: Kevin March, August 28, 2008, 10:54pm; Reply: 87
Pat Cookingham...a.k.a. Bob, "No Change" Godlewski. This was a suggestion back while "No Change" was sitting on the board. I think that Steve was supposed to go over and take a look at some point, but I don't remember when that was, definitely back when "No Change" was on the board. Anyway, this might be an OK location, I would just be worried about a delay of reaction time from the police (if they're moved into the same building) to the mall, the Junction and Pattersonville due to train traffic closing the only 2 main routes from this location (Putnam Road or Burdeck Street). Either that, or the police could always go over and cut through by Schenectady Steel. I would compare it to the South Schenectady Fire Department, but the SSFD doesn't have to cover anywhere near the same area.
Posted by: JoAnn, August 28, 2008, 11:43pm; Reply: 88
I may be misunderstanding this reason for where the police station is to be located. From what I'm reading, it would seems like the officers on duty are just sitting in the police station waiting for a call. If that were the case, than location is everything.
I was under the assumption, and please correct me if I'm wrong, that officers, when on duty are out patrolling the streets. When a call comes in, they are dispatched from their patrol cars. If this is true, then location isn't everything. Yes? No? :-/
Posted by: Kevin March, August 28, 2008, 11:49pm; Reply: 89
Yes, to some extent, but there's not always going to be times that they are out and roaming around...and in that case, you only have so many that can go around such an expanse of area. There needs to be one base, central location, as I see it. Look at it this way. If you live in Rotterdam proper, would you want to wait for a police car to come in from Pattersonville in case of an emergency? Or roll the dice and hope one is rolling through your neighborhood or an area near yours? And for communication, since they were just looking at a new radio setup recently, location is everything. That NEEDS to be able to reach the full distance...which it might not be able to do if it is located on one end of the area that needs to be covered. It may be spotty when the officer is trying to determine the address and the radio is breaking up because they're so many miles from the base.
Posted by: MobileTerminal, August 28, 2008, 11:52pm; Reply: 90
Yes, to some extent, but there's not always going to be times that they are out and roaming around...and in that case, you only have so many that can go around such an expanse of area. There needs to be one base, central location, as I see it. Look at it this way. If you live in Rotterdam proper, would you want to wait for a police car to come in from Pattersonville in case of an emergency? Or roll the dice and hope one is rolling through your neighborhood or an area near yours? And for communication, since they were just looking at a new radio setup recently, location is everything. That NEEDS to be able to reach the full distance...which it might not be able to do if it is located on one end of the area that needs to be covered. It may be spotty when the officer is trying to determine the address and the radio is breaking up because they're so many miles from the base.
Imagine how residents of the Junction feel with all the cars in Rotterdam "proper"
Posted by: Kevin March, August 28, 2008, 11:54pm; Reply: 91
I understand what you're saying. Really, the best thing would be to have them at both places. The only problem is the good old bottom line. I don't think we could afford to have 2 stations, but in the end, it may be something that is needed. I don't know how far down the line, but it may be something to look into in the future. I imagine, though, that most of the calls (I would even gander a guess that 80-90%) of the calls for the police would be coming from Rotterdam "proper."
Posted by: MobileTerminal, August 29, 2008, 1:01am; Reply: 92
I understand what you're saying. Really, the best thing would be to have them at both places. The only problem is the good old bottom line. I don't think we could afford to have 2 stations, but in the end, it may be something that is needed. I don't know how far down the line, but it may be something to look into in the future. I imagine, though, that most of the calls (I would even gander a guess that 80-90%) of the calls for the police would be coming from Rotterdam "proper."
I really am agreeing with you Kevin ... but imagine being one of the 10% that had to wait an extended amount of time when they need an ambulance - or when there's a fire, or being the victim of a crime.
They need to address ALL of Rotterdam, systematically and with purpose. I suppose that's what they call a "Comprehensive Plan", but I could be wrong.
Posted by: Admin, September 17, 2008, 9:15am; Reply: 93
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ROTTERDAM
Drug store plans OK’d
Capitol Plaza sale not yet set
BY JUSTIN MASON Gazette Reporter
Reach Gazette reporter Justin Mason at 395-3113 or jmason@dailygazette.net
Rotterdam’s Planning Commission approved plans for a Walgreens pharmacy off Curry Road and Altamont Avenue, but doubts remain about the longawaited demolition of Capitol Plaza.
Commission members revisited the project plans Tuesday, giving an approval that will allow the developer to seek a demolition permit and then dismantle the now-vacant 1950sera shopping plaza. The new approval was needed after owner Jeff Musiker and prospective builder Diamond Development LLC couldn’t agree on a sale price for the property before a special use permit for the drug store’s drive-through window expired last spring.
However, Musiker said a fi nal sale agreement with Diamond Development hasn’t been completed. He would not discuss specifics.
“Nothing has been fully worked out at all,” he said during a phone conversation after the commission meeting Tuesday.
Town officials said Bob Blank, a principal with the developers, has assured them he has a contract with Walgreens until May 2009 and that the project could be completed within six months of the demolition. Blank, who did not attend the commission meeting, could not be reached for comment late Tuesday.
The re-emergence of the project to build the 14,550-squarefoot drug store and 65-space parking lot comes only weeks after a Walgreens spokeswoman claimed the project was scrapped. Blank later insisted the Rotterdam proposal had only fallen off the company’s active list of projects, after the sale of the property stalled for more than a year.
In 2005, developers proposed demolishing Capitol Plaza to make way for the chain pharmacy. Following its approval in 2006, the project faced numerous setbacks, including a lengthy relocation of the plaza’s 14 business tenants and the acquisition of a sliver of state Department of Transportation land adjacent to the plaza.
Planing Commission Chairman Lawrence DiLallo said the shopping plaza is in dire need of attention. He urged the developers to “progress as fast as possible” to take down a building that has become an eyesore at a very visible intersection in the town.
But during a review of the project, a Capitol Plaza tenant said Musiker was still trying to lease space in the building. Pat Corniello, the owner of Pat’s Men’s Shop, said Musiker had offered spots in Capitol Plaza to him and another business owner this month.
“He asked me if I wanted to go back to the store two weeks ago,” said the business owner, who questioned who is telling the truth about the plaza’s future.
DiLallo said Blank had assured him something could be worked out during a meeting in late August. He hoped the reissuing of a special use permit would help complete the discussions between Blank and Musiker.
“We hope Mr. Musiker and Mr. Blank can get their heads together so we can start this project,” DiLallo said.
Posted by: bumblethru, September 19, 2008, 1:37pm; Reply: 94
Did anyone hear about a car driving into Capital Plaza where the old LaBella's was located last night?
Posted by: MobileTerminal, September 19, 2008, 2:06pm; Reply: 95
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Driver charged with DWI in Rotterdam crash
Friday, September 19, 2008
ROTTERDAM -- An 18-year-old Schenectady man was taken by helicopter to Albany Medical Center Hospital early today after his car slammed into a vacant commercial building at the Capitol Plaza shopping center, according to police.
Joshua Lewis of 2175 Tower Ave.was traveling along Curry Road about 1:15 a.m. when his vehicle veered off the road and into the shopping center at the intersection with Altamont Avenue. He was charged with driving while intoxicated and excessive speed. Police said Lewis' injuries were not considered life-threatening.
The building sustained "major damage," police said.
Posted by: Admin, September 20, 2008, 9:52am; Reply: 97
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ROTTERDAM
Car rolls through plate glass window
Driver charged with DWI, speed
BY JUSTIN MASON Gazette Reporter
Town police said a local man is facing drunken driving charges after he rolled his car, crashing through a plate glass window of the vacant Capitol Plaza early Friday morning.
Police Lt. Michael Brown said Joshua Lewis, 18, of Tower Avenue, was traveling east on Curry Road in a 1988 Chevy Celebrity when he failed to negotiate a bend in the road at the intersection of Altamont Avenue. Lewis’ car sailed over the concrete median and then rolled through the parking lot before crashing into the shopping center around 1:15 a.m.
Emergency personnel initially feared the teen suffered life-threatening injuries, so he was taken by helicopter to Albany Medical Center. However, Brown said Lewis’ injuries were not as severe as feared. A hospital spokeswoman listed Lewis’ in stable condition Friday afternoon.
Lewis awaits arraignment on a misdemeanor driving while intoxicated charge and was also cited for speeding. Crash scene investigators determined Lewis was traveling at a high rate of speed.
Plaza owner Jeff Musiker is involved in negotiations to sell the property to a private development company, which has proposed demolishing the building and replacing it with a Walgreens pharmacy. The demolition was originally expected in March, but was held back after Musiker and Diamond Development LLC couldn’t reach an agreement.
The town’s Planning Commission re-approved a special use permit for the pharmacy’s proposed drive-thru window this week, but Muskier said the sale still hasn’t gone through. Commission members have advocated for the plaza’s demolition lately, citing it as an eyesore at one of the town’s most trafficked intersections.
Town code inspectors examined the building after the crash and determined that it did not sustain any major structural damage. “There was some structural damage, but the building is not at risk of collapsing,” Brown said.
Musiker was dismayed to learn of the damage to Capitol Plaza, even as Diamond Development maneuvers to demolish the structure. He said the damage was the second sustained by the empty plaza this week, after someone apparently shot holes through one of the windows along Curry Road.
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Drugstore redux in Rotterdam
After the Rotterdam Planning Commission on Tuesday again approved a project that should never have been approved in the fi rst place — a proposed drugstore at the corner of Curry Road and Altamont Avenue — its chairman urged the developers to move as quickly as possible to remove an “eyesore” at that very visible intersection. We don’t find the funky, charming 1950s-era Capitol Plaza an eyesore — certainly no more of one than a new, suburban-style big-box drugstore, complete with oversized parking lot, would be. But even if it were an eyesore, it’s one of the town’s own making.
When this project was approved two years ago, Capitol Plaza was a vibrant shopping plaza with 14 tenants, a wide range of local businesses from restaurant to dance studio to dry cleaners to print shop. But those tenants all got displaced after the Planning Commission gave its blessing to an out-of-town developer’s proposal to demolish the plaza and bring in a Walgreens pharmacy. Supposedly the developer and shopping plaza owner, an absentee landlord, had agreed on a price, but the sale was never consummated, the project was delayed, and a few months ago a Walgreens spokesperson said the company was no longer interested.
Obviously the owner was foolish to give up his tenants before actually getting money for the property — he has been paying for taxes and maintenance the last two years with no income, and he is in a much weaker bargaining position to sell it now. But what about the planning commission’s and town board’s hands-off role in a deal between real estate speculators that was not in the best interest of the town? Not only would the tenants be forced to move, but there was no need for a new chain drugstore with a half-dozen, including supermarket locations, already in close proximity. The town also should have been quite wary about emptying out a viable shopping plaza when it has several large old ones nearby sitting vacant.
Ideally the plaza would be refilled with small businesses. But that would probably require a new owner, since would-be tenants couldn’t trust the current one, seeing how he treated the old tenants. The Planning Commission has made such a sale less likely by once again approving the project, despite the lack of a final sale agreement and without confirming that Walgreens is again interested and will be coming. We don’t know what you’d call it, but it certainly isn’t planning
Posted by: Salvatore, September 21, 2008, 11:50am; Reply: 99
what a shame the whole thing another debackle from Tommasone
Posted by: bumblethru, September 21, 2008, 12:05pm; Reply: 100
Would someone tell me exactly how smart and informed the gazette is?
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After the Rotterdam Planning Commission on Tuesday again approved a project that should never have been approved in the fi rst place — a proposed drugstore at the corner of Curry Road and Altamont Avenue — its chairman urged the developers to move as quickly as possible to remove an “eyesore” at that very visible intersection. We don’t find the funky, charming 1950s-era Capitol Plaza an eyesore — certainly no more of one than a new, suburban-style big-box drugstore, complete with oversized parking lot, would be. But even if it were an eyesore, it’s one of the town’s own making.
The Planning Commission is not in the legal position to tell a private property owner who or what developer to sell to. They may not 'like' the idea of a big box pharmacy being built in an already drug store saturated area...but that is not their call. Their job is to make sure these developments are with in the town codes.
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When this project was approved two years ago, Capitol Plaza was a vibrant shopping plaza with 14 tenants, a wide range of local businesses from restaurant to dance studio to dry cleaners to print shop
VIBRANT? Most people never really knew what was in that plaza. And the plaza owners did not seem to keep up their property either. There were never any improvements let alone keeping up with general maintenance.
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Ideally the plaza would be refilled with small businesses. But that would probably require a new owner, since would-be tenants couldn’t trust the current one, seeing how he treated the old tenants. The Planning Commission has made such a sale less likely by once again approving the project, despite the lack of a final sale agreement and without confirming that Walgreens is again interested and will be coming. We don’t know what you’d call it, but it certainly isn’t planning
I'm sure you'se wouldn't call it planning...since you'se don't know what the heck your are talking about. Businesses enter into contracts everyday and are given ample time to decide if the area is viable for their business. If not...they are gone...happens EVERY SINGLE DAY!.....A typical gazette spin.
Posted by: JoAnn, September 21, 2008, 12:29pm; Reply: 101
I spoke with the owner of Capital Plaza. Their contract with Walgreens expired March 15, 2008 and has not been renewed. So they are now looking to make repairs and possibly update the building and is currently looking for new tenants.
Posted by: MobileTerminal, September 21, 2008, 2:11pm; Reply: 102
I spoke with the owner of Capital Plaza. Their contract with Walgreens expired March 15, 2008 and has not been renewed. So they are now looking to make repairs and possibly update the building and is currently looking for new tenants.
http://www.rotterdamny.info/m-1182039827/s-75/#num78?????
Posted by: senders, September 22, 2008, 11:19pm; Reply: 103
nothing tried nothing gained.....and the best laid plans of mice and men........something will happen......just take a look at the Curry Rd shopping center..
Posted by: MobileTerminal, September 22, 2008, 11:43pm; Reply: 104
Posted by: bumblethru, September 23, 2008, 3:36pm; Reply: 105
The owners of the plaza have been notoriously known to not 'keep up' their property...both inside and out. I hope that if they keep it and decide to re-rent out their spaces...they will update and keep up on their maintance of that structure. As much of an eye sore that it is now...if updated, it could be a plus to Rotterdam.
Posted by: Kevin March, September 23, 2008, 9:31pm; Reply: 106
Posted by: bumblethru, September 23, 2008, 11:29pm; Reply: 107
Kevin where do you come up with these things? It was great but 'scary'. ;D
Posted by: Kevin March, September 24, 2008, 12:56am; Reply: 108
You just gotta know the right keywords and listen to enough political talk to know what you need to look for...
Posted by: senders, October 8, 2008, 9:55pm; Reply: 109
Pretty quiet around here....I think it might continue to be that quiet for awhile......
Posted by: Salvatore, October 9, 2008, 12:14am; Reply: 110
eyyy it is a dump lets be real my friends. They oughta bulldoze it soon
Posted by: bumblethru, October 9, 2008, 12:16am; Reply: 111
eyyy it is a dump lets be real my friends. They oughta bulldoze it soon
This is scary Sal...but I agree with you on this one.
Posted by: senders, October 9, 2008, 10:45pm; Reply: 112
No one is loaning $$ to make it new......let's how long we get to stare at that eye sore......maybe someone can change it into a 'Y'...... :-/
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