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whoever is in charge of this chaos.....needs to have dome common sense ....I walked to school over a mile everyday back in the day...

today the school districts provide transportation and should......thing is....looking for shortcuts costs more money...

how about those kids who are no longer in their home district and are bused to another district .....isn't that going to create a problem..

never understand the logic of closing these schools and making it more difficult to get there....when do the kids get to study and do their

homework.....if they are not home at least in time for supper.....

the so-called educators aren't educated enough in logic.......what they see on paper is not the same in reality...

LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE......
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whoever is in charge of this chaos.....needs to have dome common sense ....I walked to school over a mile everyday back in the day...

today the school districts provide transportation and should......thing is....looking for shortcuts costs more money...

how about those kids who are no longer in their home district and are bused to another district .....isn't that going to create a problem..

never understand the logic of closing these schools and making it more difficult to get there....when do the kids get to study and do their

homework.....if they are not home at least in time for supper.....

the so-called educators aren't educated enough in logic.......what they see on paper is not the same in reality...

LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE......


Did you have homework when you were in school  ( K - 6 ) ?


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You will still need a school district to administer the state curriculum, tests, issue diplomas, etc.


no you don't.....only sheep need that....



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shame on you DVOR


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All the more reason to consider consolidating school districts.  Let's start .. here in the City-County of Schenectady.





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I'm all for it, just as long as the city/County reimburses me for the hit my property value will take being associated with the city of Schenectady...even more than it already has...There's a reason as soon as prospective home buyers discover the home they are looking at is in the Schenectady City school district, they proceed to cross it off the list. ..




Waiting for DV to respond telling you that you are telling lies.  

Wait, DV will NOT respond, he NEVER addresses the TRUTH that homebuyers WILL see a drop in their home value if they buy in Schenectady.


Hmmm, maybe DV has learned that we speak the truth about massive falling tax base, falling home values, and increased taxes in the city and that is why he is not buying a house in the city; though he won't even rent in the city, won't even enter the city to go to church either.


Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent.  
Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
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no you don't.....only sheep need that.... shame on you DVOR


??????   shame on you for being so dense

In order to get a high school diploma in New York or any state, one has to follow state education department regulations.  A person can't unilaterally just issue a legally accepted diploma to his or her self.

As for the he/she idiot -- it is just the same old lying sh*t from him/her just a different day.   My response - as usual - You seriously need psychological help.  


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
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Did you have homework when you were in school  ( K - 6 ) ?


They have homework now, that is for sure, even in kindergarten there was about an hours worth. My kids get a portion of it done on their bus ride though. it usually takes my 4 th grader about three hours to do her homework.
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??????   shame on you for being so dense

In order to get a high school diploma in New York or any state, one has to follow state education department regulations.  A person can't unilaterally just issue a legally accepted diploma to his or her self.

As for the he/she idiot -- it is just the same old lying sh*t from him/her just a different day.   My response - as usual - You seriously need psychological help.  


you see, this is where you fall short......'follow state education department regulations'.......'issue legally accepted diploma'.....

what you are saying is that one is not educated unless the government stamps one's a$$ with that proof?????

I can hunt with or without a government permit because I have the smarts to do it...but I can't hunt 'legally' (on the kings land)
without a legal permit so that:
1.game can be tracked
2. government can collect fees to control animal population
3. government can collect fees to create government jobs
etc etc......

But I already know how to hunt because I TAUGHT MYSELF HOW TO KILL AND DRESS AND BUTCHER AND COOK IT......

A person knows how teach themselves but the government stamped public school fails to know how humans learn in
the FULL SPECTRUM of the human experience, because it can't.....

A child is put on a 'fast track' of demands/training/herding based on the outcome of some government sanctioned
diploma of acceptance.....add in the ADD/ADHD diagnosis and drugs and you have

A CLOCKWORK ORANGE......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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you see, this is where you fall short......'follow state education department regulations'.......'issue legally accepted diploma'.....

what you are saying is that one is not educated unless the government stamps one's a$$ with that proof?????

I can hunt with or without a government permit because I have the smarts to do it...but I can't hunt 'legally' (on the kings land)
without a legal permit so that:
1.game can be tracked
2. government can collect fees to control animal population
3. government can collect fees to create government jobs
etc etc......

But I already know how to hunt because I TAUGHT MYSELF HOW TO KILL AND DRESS AND BUTCHER AND COOK IT......

A person knows how teach themselves but the government stamped public school fails to know how humans learn in
the FULL SPECTRUM of the human experience, because it can't.....

A child is put on a 'fast track' of demands/training/herding based on the outcome of some government sanctioned
diploma of acceptance.....add in the ADD/ADHD diagnosis and drugs and you have

A CLOCKWORK ORANGE......


Actually, I never said that.  I have known many well-educated persons (my grandfather and an uncle) who didn't graduate go to high school and receive a diploma.  Those two men were more educated and more intelligent than almost every other person that I have met/known in my life.

You are dragging this topic off course and, also, putting words in other person's mouths.

The FACT is that TODAY  in order to get a high school diploma one must follow state regulations.  It is extremely difficult TODAY to get a job or go to college without a high school diploma.  

So I reiterate what I said earlier.  We need to bring our public education (including school district boundaries and administration) into the 21st century.   Eliminate redundant and unnecessary school districts.  One school district administration for all of Schenectady County is all that is necessary.   Take advantage of new technology to lessen the dependence on brick and mortar school buildings as well as the cost of transporting children to and from them.  


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
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Consolidating would NOT save money. It would reduce property values in the few remaining nice areas of the county (Niskayuna, for instance), and would decrease overall tax intake. But, the libs in Niskayuna would probably vote for it - since they hate themselves.
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Consolidating would NOT save money. It would reduce property values in the few remaining nice areas of the county (Niskayuna, for instance), and would decrease overall tax intake. But, the libs in Niskayuna would probably vote for it - since they hate themselves.


First, I don't agree with your contention that there are "few remaining nice areas in the county."

Second, I am advocating consolidation of administration (eliminating redundancy) and utilizing new technology to move into 21st century education and away from costly, 19th century brick-and-mortar "education factories."

Third, it is interesting that the folks who are most upset about "too much government" are so reluctant to take the steps to eliminate antiquated, obsolete, redundant government entities.


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OCT 2014
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/12/report_consolidating_york_coun.html
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The cost of consolidating 15 York County school districts would likely outweigh savings from combining administrative staff, according to a new report.

The Independent Fiscal Office in Harrisburg was asked by a delegation of York County state representatives to study the fiscal impact of consolidating the districts. The study's results were discussed Tuesday night at a meeting in the York County School of Technology in York.

The IFO took several factors into consideration — taxes, state education funding, salaries and savings — before arriving at its conclusion about consolidating the school districts.

The two largest factors contributing to the expense of consolidation are the costs of standardizing salaries and making up for loss state education funding, according to the report.

Standardizing salaries across the 15 districts would cost an additional $31.4 million, and the loss in state funding amounted to $5.1 million, according to the report.

State Rep. Seth Grove, R-Dover, said the House members requested the report, because their constituents have expressed interest in consolidating school districts.

Taxpayers have long believed, Grove said, that consolidating school districts would save money and reduce taxes. But, he said, the IFO report proves that's not the case.

Combining school districts would create a single tax base for real estate and earned income taxes, according to the report. As a result, some taxpayers may pay more and others less than they do under separate districts.

"It answered the questions people asked," Grove said. "There's been consolidation studies done before, but they were always done by organizations that tend to be in the administrative function, like school boards ... But this was done by the Independent Fiscal Office. They have no stake in the game."

The report indicated that consolidation would lead to an administrative cost savings between $6.9 million and $20.8 million. That amount, however, would not cover the extra costs unless taxes increased for some segment of York County's population.

State Rep. Stan Saylor, R-Red Lion, said the report's findings did not surprise him.

"We know our school districts better than anybody," Saylor said. "We have a pretty good handle on some of the costs that don't always come blaring out at you when you're somebody that just walks in."

The report looked only at consolidating the administrative functions in all 15 districts within the county, except for West Shore School District, which stretches into Cumberland County.

While it shows that consolidation would not be beneficial, the report also demonstrates that York County's administrative costs are below the state average, Saylor said.

Pennsylvania school districts have an average of 11.1 full-time administrators for every 1,000 students and spend an average of $958 on administrative costs per student. York County has 10.7 full-time administrators for every 1,000 students and spends an average of $881 per student.

"This study just pointed out that our school districts in York are probably doing a good job at how their managing costs, particularly administrative costs," Saylor said.


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Actually, I never said that.  I have known many well-educated persons (my grandfather and an uncle) who didn't graduate go to high school and receive a diploma.  Those two men were more educated and more intelligent than almost every other person that I have met/known in my life.

You are dragging this topic off course and, also, putting words in other person's mouths.

The FACT is that TODAY  in order to get a high school diploma one must follow state regulations.  It is extremely difficult TODAY to get a job or go to college without a high school diploma.  

So I reiterate what I said earlier.  We need to bring our public education (including school district boundaries and administration) into the 21st century.   Eliminate redundant and unnecessary school districts.  One school district administration for all of Schenectady County is all that is necessary.   Take advantage of new technology to lessen the dependence on brick and mortar school buildings as well as the cost of transporting children to and from them.  



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At a campaign-style rally at the University of Kansas, a liberal redoubt deep in Republican territory, Obama was introduced by a college student and working mother who said she once spent an entire paycheck on child care for her three children.

Obama said that quality child-care programs "aren't just nice to have. It's a must have" with two working parents in so many U.S. households.

He has proposed expanding access to child care to more than 1 million children by tripling the maximum child-care tax credit for middle-class families with young children to $3,000 per child and spending $80 billion over the next decade to help states provide subsidies to eligible families with preschool-age children.

"I don't want anybody being day-care poor," Obama said. He recalled when he and his wife, Michelle, found paying for child care difficult "and we had good jobs."



like honey from the lips of a devil...and I'm not talking about Obama.....if the masses can in anyway shape or form become
zombies, either under the guise of 'both parties must work' or  'we will take care of it for you so it seems like it's easier'

both parties parley to the same result.....

1. paid by the government(sort of) child institutions
2. paid by the parents(sort of) child institutions

it's all the same result with a state/fed regulated diploma 'reward'.....just starting from the cradle.....first the baby jesus gets
a federal holiday....soon parents will get a federal holiday.....as the government takes over(accredits) value to things/people
ideas, it begins it's regulation and ownership....not much different than the taliban.....

you don't get it DVOR.....

consolidation is more power in less hands....smaller government yes, but to what end? an oligarchy? a monarchy? american
mofia? lawyer gangsters?

help me understand what the end is to your means......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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So I reiterate what I said earlier.  We need to bring our public education (including school district boundaries and administration) into the 21st century.   Eliminate redundant and unnecessary school districts.  One school district administration for all of Schenectady County is all that is necessary.   Take advantage of new technology to lessen the dependence on brick and mortar school buildings as well as the cost of transporting children to and from them.  



Yep, you need school district boundaries that, in order to meet all the civil rights mandates, students must be bused all over creation, miles and miles, extra mileage equal extra gas cost, extra maintenance costs, more employees etc

And lessen dependence on brick and mortar school buildings.  Oh wow, thank goodness no woman wants  you and you will NEVER be a parent.  Less use of school buildings?   ROFL.  And tell us, who supervises the child when mom and dad are at work?  


Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent.  
Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
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Consolidating would NOT save money. It would reduce property values in the few remaining nice areas of the county (Niskayuna, for instance), and would decrease overall tax intake. But, the libs in Niskayuna would probably vote for it - since they hate themselves.


exactly.....we'd actually have to stop feeding the beast


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Consolidating the six school districts in the county would save a lot of money --- 1 superintendent instead of 6, 1 district office staff instead of 6, etc.  Even a Kindergartner would understand that.

The article cited even says that the new plan within the city would save money -- but curiously, the person(s)/multiple-personalities that started the thread consider him/herself an expert in every topic of discussion  -- everything from educational administration to professional auto racing - and has determined that the REAL, TRAINED, EXPERIENCED experts are wrong.

Furthermore, students in Bellevue would be closer to Jefferson ES as well as the middle school and high school in Rotterdam
.



Prove it.

Post a link to any cities or towns that actually lowered school taxes after a consolidation.

Just 1 article.

Out of the 10,000 school districts.

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