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Alva White
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I apologize for nothing, and stand by what we were told as kids growing up. "Stay away from the Hill and the riff-raff that lives there." Whether it was true or not I have no idea. Those days are gone.  And just to be more clear, I spent considerable time in the Delamont Ave and Stanley St. area of the hill in the early and mid '70's. In the early '80's I lived in the Vale neighborhood, on Mynderse St. And never felt threatened or intimidated during my time there.



"I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving
               hysterical naked,
dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for
               an angry fix,"


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Mount Pleasant is just as bad now, with Bellevue next up on the sh!t list...BUT downtown looks great for the out of town patrons and business owners who also live outside the city...
Renaissance... for who??





Isn't it interesting that the one person on these boards who claims the city is in a renaissance won't explain what the homeowners and residents are getting in return for their forced investment in the alleged renaissance.




Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent.  
Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
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thank you BT/....probably the first time I have been right and no insult to my intelligence....


and AW...if you stand by what you were told...you have not apologized to all who lived there in the 50's...the rest of what you say..

doesn't matter to me.....insulting and standing by something that was told to you by whomever....I would think by now you would have

matured enough to know what you were told was dead wrong......

thank you for sharing your thoughts about the Hill ....In fact it wasn't called the "HILL"...it was just a "NICE" neighborhood...

and growing up people didn't say the "HILL" they said where they lived and were proud.....it was a great time....

Carrying a rumor for years and not knowing the truth is sad, especially when you have been told by someone who was there....

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My grandmother immigrated from Poland and bought her house on Hullet St. in the 1940's.  Her first husband died and she married my grandfather
who also came from Poland. Both very proud wonderful hardworking people. My grandfather like so many worked at GE. I have fond memories living
on Hullet St. as a youngster, great neighbors, homeowners cared about their property and had RESPECT for others.

Our block was a mixture of Poles, Italian and Irish. People went to church in their Sunday best, Saturdays were spent strolling downtown to Woolworths
and the meat market on Broadway.

The Christmas parade was spectacular back then.

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Evidently some people didn't have good memories.....like we did......best friend and still is lived near Hulett St....

it was a wonderful time.....


so where are these peeps living now  who had such misinformation.???....
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VOTE MCCARTHY OUT!
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VOTE MCCARTHY OUT!




Sad that the people of the city have to wait 2 more years.  He should be impeached  


Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent.  
Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
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Evidently some people didn't have good memories.....like we did......best friend and still is lived near Hulett St....

it was a wonderful time.....


so where are these peeps living now  who had such misinformation.???....


Did you know cocaine and meth and many other drugs were legal in the 1950's?  Maybe if cops didn't kick down doors and shoot people for drugs, it would be like the 1950's.

Go look at what drugs were "legal" in the 1950's.  You'd be APPALLED!


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The war on drugs was created as the war in Viet Nam ended.

The escalation from drug arrests to military actions against drug dealers was made when they made mandatory life sentences for drug dealers.

This is when dealers started arming themselves with guns and used them on all threats, the cops, bystanders as well as other dealers.

This made every arrest a matter of life or death.

It was built into the drug policy.

Military actions by the police have been completely reconfigured since that time, to allow life or death activity every day on any street for anything as simple as resisting arrest or failure to obey a cop.

Public executions for un-convicted suspects is now common place.

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Ferguson.

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Ferguson.




just another everyday normal encounter
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Some cops should not be there by this video, also others going into Ferguson just to start trouble. I've been watching CNN and you can see not only
gang colors but also skin heads. They are the ones instigating trouble, not the peaceful protestors.
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Illegal Police Department Activity Threaten to Bankrupt Counties Nationwide
Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:09
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The Truth Behind The News
susanne_posel_news_ police-state-002Susanne Posel
Occupy Corporatism
February 7, 2013

Local police departments (LPDs) across the nation are incorporated as specialized non-profits. Most LPDs are known to the Secretary of State in their respective state as an association which gives the impression to the average citizen that this is a union. However this is not the case.
The LPDs are contracted by the City Council to preform police services and securitize the city they are hired in. This is the exchange of a local government hiring a private security firm to stabilize the local population and generate revenue for the city through tickets, arrests and recording infractions. However, this does not include upholding local laws, as the County Sheriff’s Office is elected to take charge of.
The problem with this system is that the LPDs, being corporations, are subject to corporate law. And corporations fall into dissolution (i.e. the termination of the corporation) for various reasons quite often. When it is the LPD that dissolves; this becomes a question of legal authority over the citizens by the hired private security firm known as the LPD.
Corporations that dissolve are not allowed by law to conduct business. These same rules apply to the LPD that is actually a corporation hired by the local government or city council to preform police services.
For example, in the State of Oregon, over 12 LPDs are in dissolution. On the Secretary of State website, when a LPD is dissolved it is classified as “INA” or inactive. This includes LPDs in the following cities:
• Beaverton
• Canby
• Charleston
• Eugene
• Gresham
• King County
• Lake Oswego
• Lebanon
• Portland
• Sherwood
• Weston
According to corporate law, if a corporation dissolves, it must withdraw as a business entity. This means that once the LPD is dissolved, they cannot continue to perform police services for the city in which they were hired.
And in fact, should this be brought to the public, it might be common place (as it is in the State of Oregon) that LPDs are in dissolution and not legally allowed to conduct police services because they lack legal authority as a dissolved corporation.
It also stands that the local governments that are privy to this information would be involved in not only egregious corruption but are knowingly misleading the citizens of their towns and cities. Once the LPD is dissolved, from the date of dissolution, any arrest, ticket, or police service preformed is now an illegal act. It is tantamount to a citizen impersonating a police officer which as serious legal ramifications.
Should citizens become aware of this fact in their city – that their LPD is a corporation that has dissolved and is continuing to operate as if they have legal right to do so – there would be justified legal recourse for every citizen who had been arrested, jailed, forced to pay a ticket of any kind and forced to appear in municipal court under those circumstances (including court costs, attorney’s fees and fees attributed by the court).
In 2012, Louis F. Quijas, Assistant Secretary of the Office for State and Local Law Enforcement (OSLLE), for the US Department of Homeland Security (DHS) explained the purpose of the OSLLE as a front “office that provided coordination and partnership with state, local, and tribal law enforcement.”
The OSLLE was recommended by the 9/11 Commission. It was created to “lead the coordination of DHS-wide policies relating to state, local, and tribal law enforcement’s role in preventing acts of terrorism and to serve as the primary liaison between non-Federal law enforcement agencies across the country and the Department.”
Intelligence is disseminated through OSLLE to LPDs or “non-Federal law enforcement partners” to keep information flowing through initiatives such as the “If You See Something, Say Something™”, the Blue Campaign, the Nationwide Suspicious Activity Reporting (SAR) Initiative (NSI), and the Department’s efforts in Countering Violent Extremism.
OSLLE consistently works with LPDs on education, actionable information, operations and intelligence for the purpose of their part in the operations of the DHS with regard to keeping “our homeland safe”.
OSLLE also works as a liaison between LPDs to maintain DHS leadership and considerations of “issues, concerns, and requirements of state, local, and tribal law enforcement during budget, grant, and policy development processes.”
The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) upholds relationships with LPDs for the purposes of and participation with National Preparedness Grant Program that began this year.
To ensure that local police departments continue to meet the requirements of training from DHS, officers regularly attend the DHS Federal Law Enforcement Training Centers (FLETC) in Glynco, Georgia.
LPDs are focused through OSLLE and DHS to “remain vigilant and to protect our communities from all threats, whether terrorism or other criminal activities” as DHS expands its control over local law enforcement and the communities they oversee.
As stated in the DHS directive from the Office for State and Local Law Enforcement (SLLE), the assistant Secretary for SLLE has “the primary official responsible for leading the coordination of Department-wide policies related to the role of state, tribal, and local law enforcement in preventing, preparing for, protecting against, and responding to natural disasters, acts of terrorism and other man- made disasters within the US.”
This directive also sets guidelines of advocacy for DHS by the LPDs. Authorization of DHS to take over LPDs is given in Title 6 of the United States Code, Section 607, “Terrorism prevention”.
In 2008, the Bureau of Justice Statistics stated that LPD “make up more than two-thirds of the 18,000 state and local law enforcement agencies in the US” which translates to an estimated 12,501 law enforcement agencies. Of those LPDs, there are more than 461,000 sworn officers.
Last year President Obama signed an executive order (EO) that created the White House Homeland Security Partnership Council and Steering Committee which tied DHS to local partnerships, federal and private institutions “to address homeland security challenges.”
Members of the Steering Committee include:
• Department of State
• Department of US Treasury
• Department of Defense
• Department of Justice
• Department of Transportation
• Department of Veterans Affairs
• The Federal Bureau of Investigations
In 2011, Congress encouraged private sector “police companies” to replace law enforcement on the State and local level by coercing a new police protection insurance that would tack on a fee to citizens for the use of “police protection”.
This move was justified by having citizens pay for the police to be called to scenes as a “communal service” that is contractual just as any other service or good is paid for. As a customer, the citizen would tell 911 dispatch their insurance information for payment purposes to be billed after the police were deployed to the scene, or services were rendered.
Turning LPDs into private security firms that provide services to the public was the scheme behind privatizing law enforcement.
Under state government contract, private security firms preform law enforcement services. With legislative bodies on both the state and Congressional level supporting this change, private corporations enter into contractual agreements with city councils to provide armed security patrol. Just as a rent-a-cop is hired to secure private property, local police departments are masked rent-a-cops that were hired by local government to secure their city.
This fact has been hidden from public scrutiny and has added to the blending of social perception of what the police are and what they do so that police services are able to function without question. At the same time, citizens are expected to pay fees for these “services” that were once inherent to life in a structured town or city.
In early 2012, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) released a report entitled “Homeland Security and Intelligence: Next Steps in Evolving the Mission” which outlined in part on how to redirect efforts of the federal government from international terrorism toward home-grown terrorists and build a DHS-controlled police force agency that would control all cities and towns through the use of local police departments.
DHS maintains that “the threat grows more localized” which necessitates the militarization of local police in major cities in the US and the training of staff from local agencies to make sure that oversight is restricted to the federal government.
Private corporations have been parading as public servants policing cities and towns across America without the knowledge of the average citizen for quite some time. Although they wear the same badges as LPDs of the past, these private security firms are not there to uphold peace or enforce any laws and city ordinances. Just like any other corporation, they seek out opportunities to collect revenue for the benefit of the city that hired them.
The post Illegal Police Department Activity Threaten to Bankrupt Counties Nationwide appeared first on Susanne Posel.


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the law is just like anything else....it's who you know....that does not bring the best candidates for a position with any police dept....

this is what is wrong in all aspects of American life.....if you are in the know.....you GOT THE JOB....yes the candidates have to pass physical training.

but that training even if they pass it....does not bring to the front a person who is REALLY QUALIFIED...

how do they hire...like in the NFL???....come on.....there are plenty of people who take the test to become a cop.....thousands in some cases....so

if you are smart in the top for results.......smart doesn't make common sense.....and that is needed ....so those who get the job based on who they

know???......well you figure it out.......it's in our own REGIME..
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Once the blacks came in this all happened. Not all of them are bad, especially when their numbers aren't that high. Get too many in an area and this ALWAYS HAPPENS.
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