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The Puritans were not legal immigrants.

They were refugees.



The Puritans did not immigrate to America for free food, medical care, schooling, and housing that was paid for by the native population.


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Open borders cannot work without the strict recognition of private property rights. You can't allow unlimited immigration and dump them onto the public welfare system and expect the collective to fund those government welfare programs through forced taxation to foot the bill.  If the immigrants were buying property and producing for themselves like what happened during the 1800's and 1900's, that would be a bit closer to the open borders I believe you are talking about.  But to put a generation of immigrant children on welfare, you are creating a generation that will only know welfare.  Which will lead to a cycle of generational welfare.




Your welfare issue is between you and box's lord of welfare.

So you are against free travel because liberals give people money?

Freedom is not about who has assets or skills.

I can't believe you need, and want, the government to fight your battle against freedom to travel.


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I never said any of that.

The force was already done. That can't be changed. They have our money.



The borders are already defined too.  There is a process for citizenship too.  There is border security in place.  Why is that easily disregarded, but taxation is a forgone conclusion?  If the government can ignore the borders and allow tens of thousand of immigrants onto public assistance, than certainly those who will feel the affects living in the border states, can ignore the taxes to fund the public programs.


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The Puritans did not immigrate to America for free food, medical care, schooling, and housing that was paid for by the native population.


Again, you are willing to sacrifice freedom to travel because of welfare.

Do you drive by the welfare office and give them all the finger too?

You insist on blaming recipients of welfare for your taxes.

They didn't use force to get your money.

The government takes your money and spend it on your behalf.

You should be against those actions, not being a hater of the poorest people on Earth.



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The borders are already defined too.  There is a process for citizenship too.  There is border security in place.  Why is that easily disregarded, but taxation is a forgone conclusion?  If the government can ignore the borders and allow tens of thousand of immigrants onto public assistance, than certainly those who will feel the affects living in the border states, can ignore the taxes to fund the public programs.


I give up.

Nothing that I can say will stop your hate.(Xenophobia)




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Your welfare issue is between you and box's lord of welfare.

So you are against free travel because liberals give people money?

Freedom is not about who has assets or skills.

I can't believe you need, and want, the government to fight your battle against freedom to travel.




I'm all for the freedom to travel, but you better be capable of providing for yourself.  I'd love to travel to many places in the world, but I can't, because I CANT AFFORD IT.  I don't need the government to stop my freedom to travel(which they would do if I could afford it), my financial means does.


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They didn't use force to get your money.

The government takes your money and spend it on your behalf.

You should be against those actions, not being a hater of the poorest people on Earth.



The government didn't use force to take my money?  My tax bill is voluntary?  That I didn't know.  


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I'm all for the freedom to travel, but you better be capable of providing for yourself.  I'd love to travel to many places in the world, but I can't, because I CANT AFFORD IT.  I don't need the government to stop my freedom to travel(which they would do if I could afford it), my financial means does.


Really, freedom as defined by you, is limited to those who better be capable of affording it?

You are not a supporter of freedom.

You support government protectionism, and enforced government nationalism.

I think you have been drinking too much tea.

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I give up.

Nothing that I can say will stop your hate.(Xenophobia)






Ahhh... You went to box a rox name calling route.  I'm disappointed.


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The government didn't use force to take my money?  My tax bill is voluntary?  That I didn't know.  




You blame the immigrants for your taxes.

Name one immigrant that ever cost you an nickle.

Immigrants don't take your money.

You gave up ownership of your money when you gave it to the tax man.




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Really, freedom as defined by you, is limited to those who better be capable of affording it?

You are not a supporter of freedom.

You support government protectionism, and enforced government nationalism.

I think you have been drinking too much tea.



Nationalism?  I'm fine with immigration.  So long as the immigrants that enter can support themselves.  It's you that wants to mandate that everybody assist those immigrating.  I say immigrate all you want.  But it isn't cheap.  It wouldn't be cheap for me to immigrate, even to a 3rd world country, let alone a developed country.  

If that is your belief, than corporate welfare is ok too, since they can justify it because they will create the jobs the immigrants are working.


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Ahhh... You went to box a rox name calling route.  I'm disappointed.


Really? You think hating and fearing people that you have never met or likely will never meet is rational hatred and fear?

You are ranting on here ready to start a war against people who have done absolutely nothing to any American.

You seek to promote fear, distrust and hatred of those who you have collectively judged to be guilty of maybe someday putting a burden on your wallet.

The fact remains, the burden was put on your wallet by the government.

Once they take possession it's their money.

If you don't want the government spending money formerly owned by you, tell them no thank you when they ask for their money.



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... So long as...


Conditional freedom.

Nationalist.

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Nationalism?  I'm fine with immigration.  So long as the immigrants ...


You are not fine with immigration.

You are fine with selective immigration.

Tea Party Nationalist.


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You blame the immigrants for your taxes.

Name one immigrant that ever cost you an nickle.

Immigrants don't take your money.

You gave up ownership of your money when you gave it to the tax man.




Well, that is because any addition money spent on social welfare has to come from somewhere.

I know you hate corporate welfare. Name one corporation that cost you a nickel?  Of course you can't, it's hidden in a giant budget and you could never look at your paycheck and say "I lost $100 this year.  That damn corporation".

You argument can justify any government special interest expenditure.  Yours just happens to be immigrants.  



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