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what insensitivity....like you all grew up so normal and perfect....I am not saying "fragile" is wrong....if anyone has mental issues ...that makes them

susceptible and vulnerable.....what were you all like when in your teens.....fragility is not wrong...we all experience it at sometime or anothe

r....some pull up their boot straps....others become victims.. my statement was not ment to be a "label"  but there is some truth to it...

if you all had kids they must have been soooooooo perfect...no issues....a lot of us came up the hard way.....and yes, fragile did play a part.

BUT, remember we are not all the same...some weak...some strong....life is unfair and it's up to the individual to decide "with guidance" how to

cope with it......

Take a look in the mirror....you might be surprised.......
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do NOT let the school label the kids.....

it is so far at the beginning of one's life that the system itself is a bully....all based on some fu(king experts textbook history...

WTF is wrong with us

a person can 'check out' if they want.....regardless of age(sad indeed, but no one knows what is in that person's mind/body/spirit)
no matter what initials at the end of their name.....MD/PHD etc etc......

the system whether parents/docs/psych/teachers/SW/counselors etc....all sit around and have BIG meetings to see why
young human isn't a grand old cog or 'normal'.......no wonder the human checks out....

no one calls the system abusive...oh no,,,it could only be physical/sexual/bullying etc etc.....the system is verbally abusive....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Here I'll post a preliminary version of a Web page on the relationship between school attendance (especially compulsory school attendance) and youth suicide. I am continuing to research this subject and invite your comments by E-mail or by the comment form linked to from this page. Below are some research sources for your consideration.

First, some background. Harold Stevenson comments in his 1992 book The Learning Gap about pressure on students in different countries, "The first stereotype--that Asians put enormous pressure on their young children to learn academic skills--is an oft-cited indictment. As we will show, it is inaccurate. Although pressure builds during the high school years, when concerns about university entrance exams intensify, such pressure is not evident during the preschool or elementary school years, a time when levels of achievement already are high. Asian children work hard, but we know of no evidence that they suffer greater psychological distress than exists in Western children. [An end note citing a Michigan study of eleventh graders in the United States and Japan confirms the point.]"

Meanwhile, the United States has shown a very disturbing trend in youth suicide in the postwar years. As Herbert Hendin, M.D., notes in his Suicide in America (new and expanded edition, 1995), "In the United States from 1955 to 1980, the suicide rate among young people aged 15-24 rose markedly, and has remained high since. Among young women the rate more than doubled, going from 2 to 4.3/100,000; among young men the rate more than tripled, going from 6.3 to 20.2/100,000. The U.S. now ranks among the highest countries in the world in the suicide rate of its young men, surpassing Japan and Sweden, countries long identified with the problem of suicide." As other authors note, "In the United States, recent studies suggest that between 5 and 10 percent of adolescents have made suicide attempts . . . Suicide is currently the third leading cause of death among 15-to-24-year-olds, . . . Moreover, this incidence has increased threefold from the 1950s to the 1980s (Berman & Jobes, 1991; Fingerhut & Kleinman, 198 . . ." James Zimmerman, "Treating Suicidal Adolescents: Is It Really Worth It?" in Treatment Approaches with Suicidal Adolescents (1995).

The maximum age of compulsory school attendance is now lower in Japan than in the United States. (The compulsory school attendance age range was longer in Japan than in the United States during the prewar years, the years when the Japanese youth suicide rate was higher than that in the United States.) Ken Schoolland is a college professor who lived for a time in Japan and wrote a book about his experiences as a college teacher there. (He is tendentiously quoted by supporters of compulsory, government-operated schooling as an expert on Japanese schools--even to support policy conclusions with which he disagrees.) Professor Schoolland has this to say about compulsory schooling in Japan: "Compulsory attendance in the regular schools through the junior high level [in Japan] . . . has surely contributed to the pressure cooker environment in which violence erupts. . . . The effect of letting go of some students appears to be dramatic because the incidence of bullying in high schools drops to only one-ninth that of the junior highs." Ken Schoolland, Shogun's Ghost (1990), page 181.

School programs intended to prevent suicide appear to do nothing to prevent the early death of young people. "Though schools are increasingly tackling youth suicide, their efforts spark controversy among researchers in the field. Last winter the New York State Psychiatric Institute's Shaffer argued in the Journal of the American Medical Association that by dwelling on the subject of suicide, many prevention programs can stir up dangerous feelings in vulnerable students--and thus may prompt precisely what they're supposed to prevent. In a survey of hundreds of ninth- and 10th-graders before and after they attended a month-long prevention program, Shaffer found that kids at the highest risk of suicide didn't change their views. 'Most teenagers already see suicidal behavior as unusual and dangerous,' he says. 'They don't need a class to persuade them. Most of these programs try to dramatize suicide, and we worried that in a minority of kids that could even stimulate thoughts of it.' He criticizes broad-based programs as a waste of resources and advocates instead that kids most likely to commit suicide get special, intensive treatment." Nancy Wartik, "Jerry's Choice: Why Are Our Children Killing Ourselves?" American Health, October 1991. Other researchers have reached the same conclusion that Shaffer reached about the ineffectiveness of suicide prevention programs in schools. "Although many curriculum-based suicide prevention programs have been operating since 1981 (Garland et al., 1989), there are only a few published evaluation studies using a control group (Garland & Zigler, 1993; Nelson, 1987; Ross, 1980). Spirito and colleagues' (198 evaluation of a suicide awareness programme for ninth graders is one of the exceptions. Approximately 300 students who attended the programme were compared with about 200 students in a geographically matched control group. All students completed a battery of exercises covering suicide, hopelessness, helping behaviours, and coping skills prior to, and ten weeks after the implementation of a six-week curriculum in their health classes. The results indicated that the programme was minimally effective in imparting knowledge, and was ineffective in changing attitudes. In another similar study of boys by the same research group (Overholser et al., 1989) there was a change for the worse: an increase in hopelessness and maladaptive coping responses. In a large, well-controlled study in New Jersey, Shaffer et al. (1991) found few positive effects of three suicide prevention curriculum programmes and some possible negative effects. . . . Programme attendance was associated with a small, but significant, increase in the number of students who reported that suicide could be a possible solution to problems, a finding that converges with that from Mulder's study (Mulder, in press)." René F. W. Diekstra, C. W. M. Kienhorst, and E. J. de Wilde, "Suicide and Suicidal Behaviour among Adolescents" in Psychosocial Disorders in Young People: Time Trends and Their Causes edited by Michael Rutter and David J. Smith (1995) pages 736-737.

I have received several poignant E-mails from young people or from their parents that confirm that compulsory schooling in the United States can provoke thoughts of suicide. Several of the young people who wrote me credit leaving school with saving their sanity and their lives.

A general State education is a mere contrivance for moulding people to be exactly like one another: and as the mould in which it casts them is that which pleases the predominant power in the government, whether this be a monarch, a priesthood, an aristocracy, or the majority of the existing generation in proportion as it is efficient and successful, it establishes a despotism over the mind, leading by a natural tendency to one over the body.
John Stuart Mill





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Schalmont teen's suicide has parents reaching out to others
Posted at: 10/30/2013 5:55 PM | Updated at: 10/31/2013 11:14 AM
By: Benita Zahn

  
When Jack was born to Robin and Don Zebrowski 14 years ago, they never imagined they would lose him so soon - or that he would take his own life.

"Always went out of his way to help the underdog," says Jack's mom, Robin.

Perhaps, because that's how Jack saw himself. The 9th grader at Schalmont High School was learning disabled - he had challenges with literacy and dexterity. But his folks say he was fun, and that he had a small group of friends. It was through them, posting on his Facebook page that his parents came to realize, after his suicide, he'd been bullied at school.

"He was called names and like physically assaulted in the hallways, at lunch, on the bus sometimes. And he had older kids that were trying to calm things for him. They couldn't be with him all the time," says Robin.

His parents believe that out of fear, Jack internalized that turmoil.

"But I think he would have been thought to be a rat and the bully would have made it worse for him. That's what we see now, after the fact," says Robin.

They're not looking for retribution, rather- they want to give Jack a voice - and encourage greater awareness about bullying. So they're encouraging parents, kids and teachers to ramp up awareness and communication.

"Keep telling, telling people until they listen. And don't just watch it. Don't be afraid of the. If you see someone being bullied, because the bully only has as much power as you give them."

Schalmont school officials, in a letter to parents in the district say they didn't have an official report of Jack being bullied. Robin and Don say they never called the school because they didn't know - but other kids, were aware of the problem. They hope their loss will spur the school to be even more vigilant about bullying.

http://wnyt.com/article/stories/S3204857.shtml?cat=0


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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it's a dirty shame the system labels you an underdog FIRST and remove what human dignity/fight you have before you even
hit the pavement running through life and running into other humans who seem to be giants compared to yourself after being labeled
'smaller' by the system that is set up to help make you stronger.......

terms like zero tolerance mean NOTHING, bullying means NOTHING....

the system needs to look at itself for the sadness placed inside a deep deep human nature that was destroyed under the guise
of a church like system run by some god-head experts.....

there will always be human a$$holes that EVERYONE will run into...but don't remove from any human the giantness they are
born with no matter the 'disability'.....it renders them almost helpless if not angry.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Schalmont school officials, in a letter to parents in the district say they didn't have an official report of Jack being bullied. Robin and Don say they never called the school because they didn't know - but other kids, were aware of the problem. They hope their loss will spur the school to be even more vigilant about bullying.


with no fear of the loss of a job  - school officials don't give a sh!t
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Instead of schools giving the few parents the freedom to remove their children that do not adjust to the prison like atmosphere called school, they instead try to manage the behavior of the rest of the adolescents with more and more strict discipline.  Kids will soon be segregated into cell blocks based on their behavior, like a prison, because they basically resemble a prison.  


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Instead of schools giving the few parents the freedom to remove their children that do not adjust to the prison like atmosphere called school, they instead try to manage the behavior of the rest of the adolescents with more and more strict discipline.  Kids will soon be segregated into cell blocks based on their behavior, like a prison, because they basically resemble a prison.  


and this was no different from honors, regents, no-regents and BOCES
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and this was no different from honors, regents, no-regents and BOCES


Great point!  Never looked at it that way.  Kids were separated by levels of compliance.  The most compliant were honors students, they sat still, took direction, memorized and repeated the teachers instruction.  The least compliant were BOCES, they didn't sit still, didn't always follow instruction, those BOCES kids were removed right from the general population, usually bused off site.


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I think 'some' public schools are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

If they have a child who they know can excel if they were placed in an excelled classroom.....do they move them...or leave them bored and unchallenged? Of course this should be discussed with the parents.....but what do they do?

As far a BOCES.....I think it serves a purpose for those kids that are mechanically inclined as opposed to academically minded. Not every single human being will be good nor interested in the same thing. They will be good and excel at the things/subjects they are 'interested' in.

imho


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In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


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and this was no different from honors, regents, no-regents and BOCES


not saying this is bad but ....

it takes teacher's who are involved
students who are involved
and
parents who are involved  

right now very few want to be involved

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it's so punitive that being involved can ONLY be validated with some kind of certification/degree/political connection/or a fu(king
lawyer.....raising humans has turned into "experts only, otherwise the other choice is 'crazy'."

half truths and manipulation......status quo


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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THANK YOU BT


....FOUND OUT THE OTHER DAY....THAT A WELDER CAN MAKE UP TO 120k...AFTER A FEW YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.....

BODY WORK....MECHANICS......THEY ARE MUCH NEEDED IN THIS WORLD....AND NOT TO BE CONSIDERED BELOW THE CLASS OF AN EXCELLENT STUDENT..

LET ME TELL YOU THOSE THAT EXCEL MAY DO JUST THAT.....BUT LOOKING AT A PERCENTAGE....THEY HAVE NO COMMON SENSE.....

FUNNY HOW THESE BLOGGERS "LABEL" EVERYONE AROUND THEM........

WONDER WHAT THEY LABEL THEMSELVES.....   ?????????
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THANK YOU BT


....FOUND OUT THE OTHER DAY....THAT A WELDER CAN MAKE UP TO 120k...AFTER A FEW YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.....

BODY WORK....MECHANICS......THEY ARE MUCH NEEDED IN THIS WORLD....AND NOT TO BE CONSIDERED BELOW THE CLASS OF AN EXCELLENT STUDENT..

LET ME TELL YOU THOSE THAT EXCEL MAY DO JUST THAT.....BUT LOOKING AT A PERCENTAGE....THEY HAVE NO COMMON SENSE.....

FUNNY HOW THESE BLOGGERS "LABEL" EVERYONE AROUND THEM........

WONDER WHAT THEY LABEL THEMSELVES.....   ?????????


I was labeled by 12 years old.  We are not allowed to level ourselves.  We are all put on a track, determined by school administrators.


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an article or editorial in the gazette on figuring out what to do about bullying


big hint -  talk to the DA  - and enforce harassment charges

report any incidents to RPD (school resource officers)and have the student charged with the crime - let the child and parents navigate the court system


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