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The representative should vote for what they feel is best for their constituents. It's what his constituents elected them to do.
If the representative is religious, their beliefs WILL effect how they legislate. It is naive to think otherwise.
If the constituents don't feel their representative is voting for they want, it is THEIR responsibility to make a change in the next election, not for the representative to change their beliefs, although the representative can change their voting based on self preservation.

Case in point, Kirsten Gillibrand. She was a right of center congresswoman when in the house. When she became senator, she morphed into the junior version of Chuck Schumer. There was no way her upstate views would result in a successful re-election.


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hive think for the most votes and the most peace...unless of course we have to go to war, in which case is always a nice dog and pony
show for the masses....video games are much safer.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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Is Randy Paul A "Libertarian"???
(Not So Much)  
~ Rand Paul Opposes Abortion Rights, Sponsored Legislation That Would Make All Abortions Illegal
~ Rand Paul Opposes Same-Sex Marriage, Finds It ‘Offensive’
~ Rand Paul Supports A Massive Increase In Defense Spending
~ Rand Paul Supports Extensive Use Of Drones At Home And Abroad
~ Rand Paul Opposes The Legalization Of Marijuana
~ Rand Paul Suggested Putting People In Prison For Listening To ‘Radical Political Speeches’

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“The core of libertarianism is respect for the life, liberty and property rights of each individual.
This means that no one may initiate force against another, as that violates those natural rights.
While many claim adherence to this principle, only libertarians apply the non-aggression axiom
to the state.” – Ron Paul


By his daddy's values, son Randy isn't much of a Libertarian.  
Randy is just your typical Right Wing Conservative Stooge.



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Quoted from Box A Rox
Is Randy Paul A "Libertarian"???
(Not So Much)  
~ Rand Paul Opposes Abortion Rights, Sponsored Legislation That Would Make All Abortions Illegal
~ Rand Paul Opposes Same-Sex Marriage, Finds It ‘Offensive’
~ Rand Paul Supports A Massive Increase In Defense Spending
~ Rand Paul Supports Extensive Use Of Drones At Home And Abroad
~ Rand Paul Opposes The Legalization Of Marijuana
~ Rand Paul Suggested Putting People In Prison For Listening To ‘Radical Political Speeches’



By his daddy's values, son Randy isn't much of a Libertarian.  
Randy is just your typical Right Wing Conservative Stooge.



Wow...where to you get this garbage?  Marijuana, abortion, and marriage are state issues.  He never proposed legislation making abortions illegal.  He proposed legislation recognizing life at conception.  State's would police and legislate the penalty for terminating life.

Paul's positions basically give the state's more authority.  Since they are not federal issues.

You're really reaching box.


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He never proposed legislation making abortions illegal.


"If you can just help bring public opinion to bear on my
colleagues in congress, I'm convinced that we can get this bill to
the forefront of the American debate and ultimately
OUTLAW ABORTION ONCE AND FOR ALL."

(Randy Paul)

OUTLAW ABORTION?
To make it illegal?
To make abortion "outside of the law"?
To make abortion "ILLEGAL"?
To "prohibit" abortion?





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"If you can just help bring public opinion to bear on my
colleagues in congress, I'm convinced that we can get this bill to
the forefront of the American debate and ultimately
OUTLAW ABORTION ONCE AND FOR ALL."

(Randy Paul)

OUTLAW ABORTION?
To make it illegal?
To make abortion "outside of the law"?
To make abortion "ILLEGAL"?
To "prohibit" abortion?





His legislation doesn't outlaw abortion, it recognizes life at conception.  His legislation does nothing to prohibit abortion.  It's the current laws on the books in every state criminalizing the taking of a human life is what would outlaw abortion.

All that states would have to do is write laws defining abortion a justifiable homicide.


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His legislation doesn't outlaw abortion, it recognizes life at conception.  His legislation does nothing to prohibit abortion.  It's the current laws on the books in every state criminalizing the taking of a human life is what would outlaw abortion.

All that states would have to do is write laws defining abortion a justifiable homicide.


Again, Cicero loves to play with words instead of admitting that he's wrong.
This isn't worth it.  
OK Cissy... Have it your way... we'll pretend that you're right! His law that would OUTLAY ABORTION
would have nothing to do with OUTLAWING ABORTION!  


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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So by his proposed law... Randy Paul seems to be "Pro Life"... but if he's PRO LIFE
he will lose votes.
So... Randy Paul squishes the issue so when he is talking to Evangelicals, he is PRO LIFE
But
When he is talking to Pro Choice voters, he amazingly transforms into a PRO CHOICE candidate!
(AMAZING)

Quoted Text
On CNN:
“I don’t know if there’s a simple way to put me in any category on any of that,” he concluded.
“Well, it sounds like you believe in some exceptions,” Blitzer pressed.
“Well, there is going to be, like I say, thousands of extraneous situations where the life of the
mother is involved and other things that are involved,” the senator responded.
“I would say that each individual case would have to be addressed and even if there were eventually
a change in the law, let’s say people came more to my way of thinking,” he continued, “there would
still be a lot of complicated things the law may not ultimately be able to address in the early stages
of pregnancy that would have to be part of what occurs between the physician and the woman
and the family.”


So... ProLife, ProChoice Randy Paul Announces he's a candidate... (and he still has that same problem
with THE TRUTH!)


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Again, Cicero loves to play with words instead of admitting that he's wrong.

His hero describes him well!
Quoted Text
Any man can make mistakes,
but only an idiot persists in his error.

Marcus Tullius Cicero


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Again, Cicero loves to play with words instead of admitting that he's wrong.
This isn't worth it.  
OK Cissy... Have it your way... we'll pretend that you're right! His law that would OUTLAY ABORTION
would have nothing to do with OUTLAWING ABORTION!  


Post the proposal and show me where it outlaws abortion.  Not a article interpreting the legislation, but the actual law and the penalty for violating it.


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To implement equal protection under the 14th article of amendment to the Constitution for the right to life of each born and preborn human person.

1. Short title
This Act may be cited as the  Life at Conception Act of 2013 .

2. Right to life
To implement equal protection for the right to life of each born and preborn human person, and pursuant to the duty and authority of the Congress, including Congress' power under article I, section 8, to make necessary and proper laws, and Congress' power under section 5 of the 14th article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the Congress hereby declares that the right to life guaranteed by the Constitution is vested in each human being. Nothing in this Act shall be construed to require the prosecution of any woman for the death of her unborn child.

3. Definitions
In this Act:

(1) Human person; human being
The terms human person and human being include each member of the species homo sapiens at all stages of life, including the moment of fertilization, cloning, or other moment at which an individual member of the human species comes into being.


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Post the proposal and show me where it outlaws abortion.  Not a article interpreting the legislation, but the actual law and the penalty for violating it.


"OUTLAW ABORTIONS?"
  Not my words, but RANDY PAUL'S WORDS.  If you have a problem with Rand Paul's OWN WORDS,
I suggest that you take it up with the candidate himself.
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"If you can just help bring public opinion to bear on my
colleagues in congress, I'm convinced that we can get this bill to
the forefront of the American debate and ultimately
OUTLAW ABORTION ONCE AND FOR ALL."
(Randy Paul)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buyCn5v_4-w
Randy Paul's OUTLAW quote.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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"OUTLAW ABORTIONS?"
  Not my words, but RANDY PAUL'S WORDS.  If you have a problem with Rand Paul's OWN WORDS,
I suggest that you take it up with the candidate himself.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buyCn5v_4-w
Randy Paul's OUTLAW quote.


Yes, by recognizing personhood at conception, state laws would make abortion or any violation of a person's right to life illegal.  But his proposal doesn't outlaw abortion, it recognizes life at conception.  Much different than passing a law OUTLAWING abortion.  


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Yes, by recognizing personhood at conception, state laws would make abortion or any violation of a person's right to life illegal.  But his proposal doesn't outlaw abortion, it recognizes life at conception.  Much different than passing a law OUTLAWING abortion.  

He wants to get a bill to the forefront and specifically states "...ultimately outlaw abortion once and for all."
How difficult is it to understand those words? He may talk about life at conception, but definitely states outlawing abortion.
Pretty clear ...yet you persist...


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Yes, by recognizing personhood at conception, state laws would make abortion or any violation of a person's right to life illegal.  But his proposal doesn't outlaw abortion, it recognizes life at conception.  Much different than passing a law OUTLAWING abortion.  


Again... Cicero disagrees with Randy Paul, not with me.
Rand Paul's own words:
~~~"I'm convinced that we can get this bill to the forefront of the American debate and ultimately
OUTLAW ABORTION ONCE AND FOR ALL."

Is Randy Paul promising to OUTLAW ABORTION?  Paul's own words say YES!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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