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Quoted from Madam X
The interesting thing is, State laws do not apply to pools at a private residence. They are that strict because they apply to pools used by the general public, or members of a club, etc. A pool owned and maintained by an individual for the use of her friends and family is specifically exempted from the law. Not to say that such pools are not subject to local ordinances, of course they are, but this "compliance with State guidelines" is bs.


I believe state building codes apply to every property in the state, that is, pool regs apply to both private residences and public pools (as in hotels and government parks).

I have shopping to do, otherwise I'd look up the law an see whether it lists an exemption for pools at a private residence.   It's part of the Dept of State that these codes are found


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Excerpts from the Gazette story"

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Nobody in their right mind could have envisioned we needed a building permit,” said the irate resident. “This isn’t like a regular pool. It comes down, and with the way the weather has been lately, it may come down soon.”

...

McGuirl partially faulted retailers for misleading consumers with the inexpensive pools. Though most manuals encourage compliance, she said few stores that sell the inflatable pools mention the additional costs customers will have to incur to be up to code.

Retailers offer deep discounts on swimming pools without informing consumers of added costs to safely use the swimming pools in the state of New York,” she said.




Here is some information I found for New York State law.   Warning, its kind of difficult to follow so I tried to bold what is should be noticed (like don't bother to read the non-bold which might affect only New York City) But then try to read only the larger print blue and bold and it makes more sense

http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/menugetf.cgi?COMMONQUERY=LAWS


Go to GBL, Sect 396



General Business


    * § 396-cc. Notification of enclosure requirements for swimming pools.
1.  a.        No  person,  firm,  association  or  corporation  engaged in the
  business of selling and/or installing  swimming  pools
  of  a  dimension
  subject  to
New York state regulation or local law shall sell or install
  any swimming pool unless
such person, firm, association  or  corporation
  provides  notice  to  consumers  that  the  New  York state uniform fire
  prevention and building code,
and, if such notice is given in a city with
  a population of one million or more or a county that a portion of  which
  is  within  fifty  miles  of  a city with a population of one million or
  more, the building code of the city of New York, require barriers around
  swimming pools that contain certain levels of water and that  additional
  costs  may  be  incurred  when installing a pool in order to comply with
  state or local laws regarding fencing,  pool  alarms  and  other  safety
  requirements  and  instructing  consumers  to contact the local building
  code enforcement office for further details  and  to  consult  municipal
  codes and regulations for any further requirements.

Such notice shall be given  by  prominently  posting  a sign where pools are displayed and/or
  sold or where swimming pools are offered  for  sale  through  a  printed
  swimming  pool display or swimming pool catalogue available to customers
  in retail stores. Such sign  shall  be  no  less  than  nine  inches  by
  fourteen inches
using letters no less than one-half inch in height. Such
  sign  shall  include  the  address  of the website at which the document
  required to be made available by the department  of  state
  pursuant  to
  subdivision  six  of  section three hundred seventy-six of the executive
  law is posted, and if such notice is given in a city with  a  population
  of  one  million  or more or a county a portion of which is within fifty
  miles of a city with a population of one million or more, the address of
  the website of the New York city department of  buildings.  Any  person,
  firm,  association  or  corporation  engaged  in the business of selling
  and/or installing swimming pools
of a  dimension  subject  to  New  York
  state regulation or local law shall, upon request of a consumer, provide
  a  written notice
that shall clearly indicate the address of the website
  at which the document required to be made available by the department of
  state
pursuant to subdivision six of section three  hundred  seventy-six
  of  the  executive  law is posted, and if such notice is given in a city
  with a population of one million or more or a county that a  portion  of
  which  is  within fifty miles of a city with a population of one million
  or more, the address of the website of the New York city  department  of
  buildings. Such notice shall be no less than five inches by eight inches
  using letters no smaller than fourteen point type.
  



By the way, out and about this evening, I made a point to go to the area of a certain store (name irrelevant) where the pools are.   There was no sign as described, but on the boxes of the pools--the area where you would open the box-- the manufacturer had an instrtuction about "contact your building department" though I'd guess that alone does not meet the requirement of NYS.


I'm not saying I do or do not agree with the existence of such law.  I'm merely providing some evidence that actually stores that sell these pools are indeed required to notify customers.  I have things to do, tomorrow I'll try to get the details on the law which I see no reference at all to exempting pools at private residential homes for use by family and friends.




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Rotterdam is not within 50 miles of a city with a population of more than 1 million people.  It reads as if the only state requirements are that pool regulations in areas 51 miles outside of a city of 1 million are left up to local building codes.


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last year my brother in law was going to put up an above ground pool in their yard. The pool company told him that he needed to get a building permit first. The brother in law went to the town (ROTTENdam) and asked for a pool permit and got one. No questions asked nor was their any mention of a 'fence'.


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I think that there is confusion over the permitting agency and the type of permit, because the state has a lot of pool rules such as sanitary codes that don't pertain to residential pools, and the state certainly doesn't require a building permit for pools in Rotterdam which come in a box and fill up with air.Local regulations require different kinds of permits, and I think Schenectady may have such a thing as a pool permit also, for pools over a certain size. The fence requirements have been around a long time in most communities. Maybe Rotterdam never had one? I had been wondering about that myself because lately I have been noticing above ground pools in open back yards, and I had heard something about a requirement for a locking pool ladder in lieu of a fence but I don't know if that was true or not. I think that people who leave pools of any size in an unfenced back yard are just asking for problems, law or no law.
I had a fairly large inflatable pool years and years ago, in a fenced back yard, and I decided they aren't worth it. Once they get too big to dump out easily, you've got all the grass and dirt and bugs accumulating, you really need the filter and chlorine and ladder and everything. More trouble than a regular pool.
Pool alarms, they tell you that you HAVE TO have a carbon monoxide detector in your own house, why wouldn't they tell you to have an alarm for a bucket of water inside a razor-wire enclosure with a guard tower and cameras? Seriously though, it's another one of those things that probably are a good idea, but not good enough for the government to force you to buy it, IMO.
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Quoted from CICERO
Rotterdam is not within 50 miles of a city with a population of more than 1 million people.  It reads as if the only state requirements are that pool regulations in areas 51 miles outside of a city of 1 million are left up to local building codes.


Absolutely correct.

The law clearly states that this applies only to areas inside the 50 mile zone.

The key word in the law is the word "and".

Businesses and installers must inform the buyers and must be within the 50 mile zone.



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the key words were the title of the NYS section "Notification of enclosure requirements for swimming pools" - not if a fence is needed

Walmart does not need to tell you SH!T

Ms Ryan is not ignorant to the issue she WAS the past BUILDING INSPECTOR  -

and on todays editorial picture in the gazette  - uniforms for the building inspectors!!!

summer UPS with the following changes

white sneakers, super high black socks, gold stripe up the side of the shorts and smoky bear style shirt, baseball cap with all the authentic stickers in place - so we can easily identify them in the field
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No.  The town enforces the law - its laws as well as the applicable state and federal laws.  

I know who you are and you are the type of person who loves to complain and who gets a thrill out of running their community down.  Frankly, I am saddened to live in the same community with perennial whiners and complainers who don't lift a finger to help BUILD UP the community but prefer to TEAR DOWN this wonderful place we call home.  And if you don't like my response that is your problem -- deal with it -- I don't have much patience for hate-filled nayboobs.


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Quoted from AVON


Hey, you can polish a turd all you want, but in the end, It's still a turd!


Agree.


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Life is unfair. Government, however, is something we own and control together, and if we feel like government is not applying our rules correctly or evenhandedly, speaking out about it is a good thing. Communities with backward, incestuous, or corrupt government don't attract new residents. When the takers refuse to live in the areas they are taking from, the burden on the citizenry gets worse and worse as the few remaining takers inside the municipal boundaries battle it out to be last man standing. It may seem like a little issue, inflatable pools, but it relates to quality of life and equal treatment under the law. The people who want this issue brought out into the light, discussed, and fairly resolved are not the ones tearing down the communities, they are the ones maintaining it.
I know some young families who had homes here, who have since moved away due in part to the taxes, but they knew what the taxes were when they moved here, but mostly because the city showed a willingness to keep raising their taxes without any improvement in delivery of services. This stuff matters. You let it go, and your city, down, or village dies.
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Quoted from Madam X
The interesting thing is, State laws do not apply to pools at a private residence. They are that strict because they apply to pools used by the general public, or members of a club, etc. A pool owned and maintained by an individual for the use of her friends and family is specifically exempted from the law. Not to say that such pools are not subject to local ordinances, of course they are, but this "compliance with State guidelines" is bs.



I still have not found anything in state laws that says that backyard pools are exempt from state laws   But I did find this press release from the NYS in more plain language:



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For Immediate Release:
June 27, 2013
Contact: 518-486-9846
Info@dos.ny.gov
Follow us on Twitter @NYSDOS


**CONSUMER ALERT**
NYS DEPARTMENT OF STATE’S DIVISION OF CONSUMER PROTECTION ISSUES ALERT ON POOL SAFETY

With the increase in summer temperatures comes the draw of a town or backyard pool. The New York Department of State’s Division of Consumer Protection warns consumers to protect themselves and loved ones while visiting and enjoying a public or private pool this summer.

Remember a few key things when spending time around water, especially with children. Children under the age of 15 make up more than 78 percent of pool and spa submersion injuries in the United States annually, 67% of them are children under the age of three.


• LEARN TO SWIM. Everyone should have the opportunity to learn to swim properly, as this is the very best defense against preventing accidental drowning of children and adults alike.

• DO NOT LEAVE A CHILD UNATTENDED. Never leave a child unattended around a swimming pool or any other body of water, even if that child is a good swimmer.

• LIFEGUARD ON DUTY. If you are swimming in a public pool make sure there is a lifeguard on duty at all times.

• NO DIVING. Although enjoyable, diving can be dangerous. Only dive into pools that are considered “diving pools” or that have a designated deep “diving area.” Most backyard swimming pools are not deep enough to allow for safe diving.

• AVOID ALCOHOL. Alcohol slows reaction time and affects balance and judgment, so avoid drinking alcohol if you are going to be swimming.

• COLLECT ALL TOYS. It is important to be cognizant of what toys and floats you leave in and around the pool, as well as any climbing device that can be used to access the water. Some may attract and avail young children to the water.

• PLAN FOR EMERGENCIES. Have an emergency plan that includes CPR training. Learn how to turn off the pool or spa pump should a suction entrapment occur, and where to immediately find rescue equipment, including a long-handled hook or a buoy or flotation device with an attached line. Have a phone with you, whenever possible, so if there is an emergency you can quickly dial 911.

CODE COMPLIANCE. At a minimum, your pool or spa must comply, with all applicable federal, state, and local laws, ordinances, rules, and regulations. In most cases, a pool or spa, or the area where it is located, must be completely surrounded by an intact fence or barrier at least 48 inches high; gates must be self-closing and self-latching; one or more pool alarms, door alarms and/or gate alarms may be required; and the pool or spa must have anti-entrapment drain covers that are compliant with the Pool and Spa Safety Act, the State Uniform Code, and any applicable local law, ordinance, rule or regulation.


For additional information about compliance with the State Uniform Code, please see “Swimming Pool Rules and Regulations found in the Uniform Fire Prevention and Building Code (Uniform Code)” at http://www.dos.ny.gov/DCEA/pools.htm and “Current Requirements for Swimming Pools Contained in the Uniform Fire Prevention and Building Code (Uniform Code)” at http://www.dos.ny.gov/DCEA/currpoolreq.htm.

Further information can be obtained by contacting the NYS Department of State’s Division of Consumer Protection and Division of Codes at http://www.dos.ny.gov.


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Below is quoted from the state.

At the actual website, the "click here" are hyperlinks so easy to find.

           http://www.dos.ny.gov/DCEA/pools.htm




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Swimming Pool Rules and Regulations found in the Uniform Fire Prevention and Building Code
(Uniform Code)


PLEASE NOTE that this web page is not intended to be the document required by Executive Law Section 376(6).  This web page includes a brief summary of some, but not all, of the Uniform Code’s requirements relating to swimming pools.  For a more complete summary of those requirements, as well as a summary of the Uniform Code’s other pool-related requirements, please click here for the document titled Current Requirements for Swimming Pools Contained in the State Fire Prevention and Building Code (UNIFORM CODE) [December 2010].  Click here for a PDF version of the Current Requirements document.

PLEASE NOTE also that local laws regarding fencing and other safety requirements for swimming  pools may be more restrictive than requirements for swimming pools contained in the Uniform Code. Please go to the following web site for a list of municipalities with More Restrictive Local Standards (MRLS). If you are considering the purchase of a swimming pool, you should review the Uniform Code requirements summarized in the Current Requirements document, and in addition, you should consult the local laws, ordinances, codes and regulations of the municipality where the pool is to be installed for additional zoning requirements.    

The term “Swimming Pool” means any structure, basin, chamber or tank which is intended for swimming, diving, recreational bathing or wading and which contains, is designed to contain, or is capable of containing water more than 24 inches (610 mm) deep at any point. This includes in-ground, above-ground and on-ground pools; indoor pools; hot tubs; spas; and fixed-in-place wading pools

About Pool Alarm Requirements   About Pool Barrier (Fencing) Requirements  
Temporary Pool Enclosures Pool Entrapment Requirements
Other Pool Safety Requirements   Helpful Pool Safety Links

For a detailed summary of the Uniform Code’s other pool-related requirements, please click here for the document titled Current Requirements for Swimming Pools Contained in the State Fire Prevention and Building Code (UNIFORM CODE) [December 2010].  Click here for a PDF version of the Current Requirements document.

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Requirements for
Swimming Pool and Spa Alarms

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Brief Summary of Requirements Swimming Pool and Spa Alarm:

Every swimming pool that is installed, constructed or substantially modified after December 14, 2006, must be equipped with an approved pool alarm which:
•is capable of detecting a person entering the water at any point on the surface of the pool and giving an audible alarm ◦to provide detection capability at every point on the surface of a swimming pool, it may be necessary to install more than one pool alarm

• is audible poolside and at another location on the premises where the swimming pool is located
•is not an alarm device which is located on a person, or which is dependent on a device located on a person for its proper operation
•meets ASTM F2208


Pool alarms are not required in:
•a hot tub or spa equipped with a safety cover
•a swimming pool equipped with an automatic power safety cover


Contact your local municipality for additional code and zoning requirements.

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For specific Swimming Pool and Spa Alarm requirements, please click here for the document titled Current Requirements for Swimming Pools Contained in the State Fire Prevention and Building Code (UNIFORM CODE) [December 2010].  Click here for a PDF version of the Current Requirements document. Swimming Pool and Spa Alarm requirements for One- and Two-Family Dwellings and Townhouses can be found in Appendix G of the Residential Code of New York State. Swimming Pool and Spa Alarm requirements for pools not regulated by the Residential Code can be found in Chapter 31, Section 3109 of the Building Code of New York State.

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Barrier (Fence) Requirements for
Outdoor Residential Swimming Pools

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Brief Summary of Barrier Requirements for Outdoor Residential Swimming Pools:
• The barrier must completely surround the swimming pool and must obstruct access to the swimming pool.

•The barrier must be at least 4 feet (48 inches) high.

•In the case of an above-ground pool, the barrier may be at ground level or mounted on top of the pool structure; however, if the barrier is mounted on top of the pool structure, the space between the top of the pool structure and the bottom of the barrier cannot exceed 4 inches.

•A building wall can form part of the required barrier. However, where a wall of a dwelling serves as part of the barrier, at least one of the following requirements must be satisfied:
◦ the pool must be equipped with a powered safety cover
◦ all doors with direct access to the pool through that wall must be equipped with an alarm or other means of protection, such as self-closing doors with self-latching devices, which are approved by the governing body
•In the case of an above-ground pool, the pool structure itself can serve as a part of the required barrier, provided that the pool structure is sufficiently rigid to obstruct access to the pool. However, where an above-ground pool structure is used as a barrier or where the barrier is mounted on top of the pool structure, and the means of access is a ladder or steps, then:
◦the ladder or steps shall be capable of being secured, locked or removed to prevent access, or the ladder or steps shall be surrounded by a barrier
◦when the ladder or steps are secured, locked or removed, any opening created shall not allow the passage of a 4-inch-diameter sphere.
◦Barriers shall be located so as to prohibit permanent structures, equipment or similar objects from being used to climb the barriers.


Contact your local municipality for additional code and zoning requirements.

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For specific Swimming Pool Barrier requirements, please click here for the document titled Current Requirements for Swimming Pools Contained in the State Fire Prevention and Building Code (UNIFORM CODE) [December 2010].  Click here for a PDF version of the Current Requirements document. Swimming Pool Barrier requirements for One- and Two-Family Dwellings and Townhouses can be found in Appendix G of the Residential Code of New York State. Swimming Pool Barrier requirements for pools not regulated by the Residential Code can be found in Chapter 31, Section 3109 of the Building Code of New York State.

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Temporary Barriers

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Brief Summary of Requirements for Temporary Barriers:

During the installation or construction of a swimming pool, the pool must be ENTIRELY enclosed by a temporary barrier. The temporary barrier may be a temporary fence, a permanent fence, the wall of a permanent structure, any other structure, or any combination of those. However, the temporary barrier must:
•be at least four (4) feet high
•prevent access to the swimming pool by any person not installing or constructing the pool
•remain in place until a permanent pool barrier is provided
•be replaced by a permanent pool barrier within either:◦90 days of the date of issuance of the building permit for the installation or construction of the swimming pool; or
◦90 days of the date of commencement of the installation or construction of the swimming pool.
The code enforcement official may extend the time period to complete the permanent barrier for good cause, including, but not limited to, adverse weather conditions delaying construction.

There are some exceptions to the requirement for temporary pool barriers:
•Above-ground or on-ground pools where the pool structure itself serves as the barrier
•Spas or hot tubs with a safety cover, as long as the safety cover remains in place during the installation or construction ◦ The safety cover can be removed temporarily for the installation or construction of the hot tub or spa if at least one person engaged in the installation or construction is present



Contact your local municipality for additional code and zoning requirements.

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For specific Temporary Barrier requirements, please click here for the document titled Current Requirements for Swimming Pools Contained in the State Fire Prevention and Building Code (UNIFORM CODE) [December 2010].  Click here for a PDF version of the Current Requirements document. Temporary Barrier requirements for One- and Two-Family Dwellings and Townhouses can be found in Appendix G of the Residential Code of New York State. Temporary Barrier requirements for pools not regulated by the Residential Code can be found in Chapter 31, Section 3109 of the Building Code of New York State.

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Entrapment Protection for Residential
Swimming Pool and Spa Suction Outlets

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According to the Consumer Products Safety Commission, there are an average of 283 drowning deaths and 2,700 emergency room visits related to swimming pools and spas involving children under the age of five each year. One cause of drowning deaths and injuries is entrapment. Entrapment occurs when a person becomes caught in the strong suction in and around swimming pool and spa drains. In some instances, the suction force around drains is so strong that the bather cannot break free and either drowns or is fatally injured before being rescued.

Brief Summary of Requirements for Entrapment Protection
for Residential Swimming Pool and Spa Suction Outlets:
•Suction outlets must be designed to produce circulation throughout the pool or spa
•Single outlet systems, such as automatic vacuum cleaner systems, or other such multiple suction outlets whether isolated by valves or otherwise must be protected against user entrapment
•Suction Fittings: All pool and spa suction outlets (except surface skimmers) must be provided with: ◦ a cover that conforms with reference standard ANSI/ASME A112.19.8 Suction Fittings for Use in Swimming Pools, Wading Pools, Spas, Hot Tubs, and Whirlpool Bathtub Appliances, or
◦a drain grate that is 18 inches x 23 inches or larger, or
◦an approved channel drain system

•Atmospheric vacuum relief system required: All pool and spa single- or multiple-outlet circulation systems must be equipped with atmospheric vacuum relief should grate covers located in the pool become missing or broken
•The vacuum relief system needs to include at least one of the following two approved or engineered methods: 1.Safety vacuum release system conforming to ASME A112.19.17; or
2.An approved gravity drainage system

•Dual drain separation: Single or multiple pump circulation systems must have: ◦at least two of the approved type of suction outlets, and
◦a minimum horizontal or vertical distance of 3 feet between the outlets, and
◦the suction outlets piped so that water is drawn through them simultaneously through a vacuum-relief-protected line to the pump or pumps

•Pool cleaner fittings: Where provided, vacuum or pressure cleaner fittings shall be located in accessible positions at least 6 inches and not more than 12 inches below the minimum operational water level, or
• as an attachment to the skimmers

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For specific Entrapment Protection for Swimming Pool and Spa Suction Outlets requirements, please click here for the document titled Current Requirements for Swimming Pools Contained in the State Fire Prevention and Building Code (UNIFORM CODE) [December 2010].  Click here for a PDF version of the Current Requirements document. Entrapment Protection for Swimming Pool and Spa Suction Outlets requirements for One- and Two-Family Dwellings and Townhouses can be found in Appendix G of the Residential Code of New York State. Entrapment Protection for Swimming Pool and Spa Suction Outlets requirements for pools not regulated by the Residential Code can be found in Chapter 31, Section 3109 of the Building Code of New York State.

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Additional Swimming Pool Requirements

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Additional requirements that apply to swimming pools, including, but not limited to, safety glazing, backflow prevention and pool heaters, may be found in the Uniform Code and the Energy Conservation Construction Code of New York State. For more information, contact your local municipality or the Department of State DCEA at (51 474-4073.

New York State Department of Health (DOH) Additional commercial pool requirements can be found at the New York State Department of Health web site. These DOH regulations (10 NYCRR Volume A Part 6) do not apply to:
•swimming pools, or other bathing facilities, owned and/or maintained by an individual for the use of family and friends
•spa pools used under medical supervision or associated with hospitals
•float tanks or relaxation tanks used for solitary body immersion in skin-temperature salt water
•swimming pools maintained and operated in connection with a temporary residence or children's camp subject to DOH regulations


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I'd be interested in knowing whether various cities and towns require a "new" permit every year for those pools that can't stay up all winter.

I'd guess that some would say yes, others would say no.


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understand the safety....but.......some of these pools don't hold water up to 24"......

Town gov must be fine tuning where they can get the "pennies" and "squeeze" the residents...so they can binge on spending and giving out favors...

this gov has got to go.....
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Why do you have to pay for a permit?  What purpose does the $50 and $100 permit serve?  Even if I agree to town regulations regulating how I use my private property(which I don't), why do I have to pay a fee to get permission to use my private property?  I pay taxes to the idiots that make the law, I pay the idiots that enforce the law, and now I have to pay the idiots to get permission?  It's a racket.

At $50 per permit for an inflatable above ground site plan, assuming that it takes 1 hour to review and approve the plan, that would mean that person is making over $100k a year to approve swimming pools on private property.  How long does it take to review and approve a swimming pool site plan?

There 11990 homes in Rotterdam, if 10% had inflatable pools, that would be $60k in permits.


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