The State Legislature and the Governor in its "collective wisdom" passed a new tax on rich people, a tax cut for everyone else, didn't cut spending  --- didn't really address the actual problem --- and then retired to the backroom for cigars and adult beverages ... slapping each other on the back and smiling .... and telling us what a great job they did for us.

Most New Yorkers haven't noticed they were screwed YET --- because they threw in that "tax cut" as a lubricant.

not one of those you are talking about......this is just for you and your friends and associates.....

LIVE WITH IT.....it's life...IT'S REALITY

Hopefully -- some INTELLIGENT and good natured people will be willing to engage in a civil discussion of the topic of the thread.

You begin a topic with "WE ALL GOT SCREWED" and then include statements like "tax cut" as a lubricant" and expect to have intelligent dialogue? Try a real post with real intelligent intent instead of your disgusting pathetic and vial manner.

An intelligent person would have read the WHOLE statement --- and understood the context -- and understood the message.   An unintelligent person and someone who just wants to launch a personal attack -- would just blurt out the first inane and hate-filled thought that crossed his/her mind.

I've lived in NYS my whole life...This most recent screwing by our legislators is nothing new....I think our legislature was rank #1 for most dysfunctional in the Union.  I can't have a real debate with people that think spending federal and state grants isn't spending money because since is was already "budgeted" it doesn't add to the debt the ALL OF US will eventually have to pay for.  People are living in some paralell world of economics, where economic law doesn't apply.  

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An intelligent person would have read the WHOLE statement --- and understood the context -- and understood the message.   An unintelligent person and someone who just wants to launch a personal attack -- would just blurt out the first inane and hate-filled thought that crossed his/her mind.

and you didn't intend them as veiled comments....you Holier than thou fake!

Quoted from CICERO

I've lived in NYS my whole life...This most recent screwing by our legislators is nothing new....I think our legislature was rank #1 for most dysfunctional in the Union.  I can't have a real debate with people that think spending federal and state grants isn't spending money because since is was already "budgeted" it doesn't add to the debt the ALL OF US will eventually have to pay for.  People are living in some paralell world of economics, where economic law doesn't apply.  

You said a mouthful here cicero!!! Just about sums it up!!

It appears a tax cut by Republicans is a good thing, while a tax cut by a Democrat is a bad thing.

G Worst Bush cut taxes for the rich with out cutting spending... and that was a good thing.
Andy cuts taxes for the middle class with out cutting spending and it's a bad thing.

Quoted from Box A Rox

It appears a tax cut by Republicans is a good thing, while a tax cut by a Democrat is a bad thing.

G Worst Bush cut taxes for the rich with out cutting spending... and that was a good thing.
Andy cuts taxes for the middle class with out cutting spending and it's a bad thing.

A tax cut would be a good thing -- no matter which party sponsored it -- IF the state was NOT facing a huge gap between its revenues and spending.

No effort was made to cut state spending --- so how can the state afford this tax cut?

Quoted from CICERO

I've lived in NYS my whole life...This most recent screwing by our legislators is nothing new....I think our legislature was rank #1 for most dysfunctional in the Union.  I can't have a real debate with people that think spending federal and state grants isn't spending money because since is was already "budgeted" it doesn't add to the debt the ALL OF US will eventually have to pay for.  People are living in some paralell world of economics, where economic law doesn't apply.  

Actually -- you are misunderstanding the whole way that federal and state grant monies are budgeted.

When a town applies for a federal or state grant ---- that grant was ALREADY FUNDED by an Appropriations/Budget Bill which was approved by the legislative branch and signed by the executive branch.   THUS the money for the grant has ALREADY BEEN SPENT   (and by extension -- the people have ALREADY paid the tax to provide the $$ to fund the grant)    

If the Town of Rotterdam doesn't apply for the state or federal grant ..  then ANOTHER municipality will apply for and receive the grant ---   so NOT APPLYING for the grant  will NOT reduce federal or state spending  nor will it lower taxes paid.

Those are the FACTS --- deal with it.

TAX CUTS DONT FIX THE GUTS OF THE BUDGET.....

it's a bone

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Actually -- you are misunderstanding the whole way that federal and state grant monies are budgeted.


If the Town of Rotterdam doesn't apply for the state or federal grant ..  then ANOTHER municipality will apply for and receive the grant ---   so NOT APPLYING for the grant  will NOT reduce federal or state spending  nor will it lower taxes paid.

The act of applying for the grant perpetuates the state budgeting monies for grants.  Grants often fund the start up cost for a local government program or expands an existing local program that the residents end up paying for after the grant money dries up.

Grant money is granting money to local municipalities that was created out of state or federal debt.  

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TAX CUTS DONT FIX THE GUTS OF THE BUDGET.....

it's a bone

Exactly my point --- the Governor and the State Legislature did NOTHING  -- except probably make the problem worse -------------------  first step should be a 10% cut ACROSS THE BOARD in the State Budget ..  no exceptions.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Exactly my point --- the Governor and the State Legislature did NOTHING  -- except probably make the problem worse -------------------  first step should be a 10% cut ACROSS THE BOARD in the State Budget ..  no exceptions.

OH....they didn't make it worse.....they just diverted.....Rome and the open storehouses.....JOKE JOKE JOKE.....