Cops receive little or no training...

You can talk to a man charging you with a knife...

Emotionally disturbed personnel should be handled by EMTs and not the police...

People spit out opinions based on no experience dealing with these issues and act as if these are opinions grounded in fact....

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Cops receive little or no training...

You can talk to a man charging you with a knife...

Emotionally disturbed personnel should be handled by EMTs and not the police...

Are the police at least trained to call the EMT's when faced with a situation they are not trained to handle?  

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Are the police at least trained to call the EMT's when faced with a situation they are not trained to handle?

Ellis or CDPC MUST have a crisis unit to handle these situations.

"If you were to fire some kind of warning shot or an attempt to wound the subject, let's say you did hit him in the leg, you're about to get stabbed," Schenectady Police Commissioner Wayne Bennett said on Saturday night after the shooting.

Bennett says no police officer in the country would fire to wound people.

the police called for backup[ -- the tasers guys.. they dude charged before tasers guy arrived. sounds to me as if they were trying to handle the matter by using least amount of force possible

of course u do not shoot someone with a boomer rang or a potatoe or a banana.. a 9-inche knife? I think that falls into "pull the freaking trigger" category.

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Bennett says no police officer in the country would fire to wound people.

Golden Sabers do the trick! Outlawed by the Geneva Conventions but acceptable for use on American citizens!

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of course u do not shoot someone with a boomer rang or a potatoe or a banana.. a 9-inche knife? I think that falls into "pull the freaking trigger" category.

How about a baseball bat, or a metal pipe, do you respond with deadly force if a person has one of these objects?  How about a car key sticking out of a person's closed fist, or how about brass knuckles...does that deserve a dose of lead poisoning? Are citizens allowed to blow away a person threatening them with a steak knife?  Or is that only permitted to Cops?

Cicero

FYI: EMTs are not trained to handle mentally disturbed people who charge at them with knives?

There is no mobil crisis unit responding to these situations.

Mental illness has very little to do with how the cops reacted.  If it was a sane person with a steak knife, I still don't think positioning themselves 5' away with guns drawn was the correct response.  The guy was loitering and wouldn't leave.  That us why the police were called.  Why wouldn't they have dispatched a patrolman equipped with non lethal capabilities?

The SPD is using this mental illness as a scapegoat.

This clearly sounds like a violent man....yes?

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Witnesses said the man, a black male in his early 20s, appeared drowsy and medicated when he first arrived at the Gazette’s locked front doors. The man asked a security guard on duty for a drink of water, and the guard allowed him inside.

After the man drank some water, he began to wander around the main lobby, the circulation department and the hallways for about 45 minutes, despite the security guard asking him to leave, witnesses said.

The security guard then called the newspaper's general manager, Daniel Beck, at his home, and Beck and his friend, Linda Eldeen, arrived shortly after at the building at 2345 Maxon Road Ext.

Eldeen said she and Beck walked up to the man, who appeared tired and weak as he slouched against a wall at the back of the lobby. Eldeen said she asked the man if he needed any help and he replied, “Yes, I need some help. Get me help,” she said.

And this just proves that NO ONE believes this guy was a threat to anyone....except perhaps only to himself....

According to the TU on 10/9/11...

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'the guard then called a schenectady police department number, not 911 to report the intruder. Police did not immediately respond/

This guy didn't display any violence toward anyone at any time. EVERYBODY KNEW AND SAW THAT. He was pretty  much begging for help after his 'cocktail' from ellis.

Gazette article which clearly sated the man lunged at them.

Easy to make a point when you selectively use facts


  

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Gazette article which clearly sated the man lunged at them.

Easy to make a point when you selectively use facts

"Lunged", "stumbled", "tripped", who knows?  Question is, why did they choose to get within 5 feet away from this man?

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wrong

This person sought help and did not get proper treatment    if you read my statement earlier it was right on the

money.   The mentally ill have a real problem it's called "look the other way" and the hospital is at  fault for

not keeping this person.  A pill or cocktail of meds and out the door you go   if you are lucky you will be a good

patient and will not need further help.   If this person was at the hopital more than once in the last few days,

then I believe I was right.   There is no REAL help for the mentally ill.

And they shot him.  it was no suicide by cop.   if it doesn't make sense, it's not true.....

a hospital isn't allowed to 'keep people'....no matter what.....THERE ARE NO DRUGS THAT 'fix' hearts/minds.......NO ONE knows the definition of mental illness.....suicide by cop or not doesn't matter.
they should have giant warehouses to keep these folks wandering around 'safely' of course.....oh wait.....it was turned into the Garage-ma-hal......

anyhow...it wasn't even the security guards responsibility....IT WAS A SECURITY GUARD not an orderly.......

something would have happened to this guy no matter what.....the problem is that it should never allowed to be accomplished by the police....there are plenty of bridges and perps....

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a hospital isn't allowed to 'keep people'....no matter what.....THERE ARE NO DRUGS THAT 'fix' hearts/minds.......NO ONE knows the definition of mental illness.....suicide by cop or not doesn't matter.
they should have giant warehouses to keep these folks wandering around 'safely' of course.....oh wait.....it was turned into the Garage-ma-hal......

anyhow...it wasn't even the security guards responsibility....IT WAS A SECURITY GUARD not an orderly.......

something would have happened to this guy no matter what.....the problem is that it should never allowed to be accomplished by the police....there are plenty of bridges and perps....

So are you saying that the cop was justified by shooting at this mentally ill guy FIVE times?? A guy that they just picked up a few days before? A guy with a known suicidal tendencies? A guy who apparently showed NO signs of violence for almost one hour and never had a record of violence. A mentally ill guy who was asking...begging....for help?

There are diabetics that will react the same way when their sugar level is off. Ya gonna shoot then ask questions then too?

Once again the Nayboobs think they can do someone else's job better - in this case a police officer's job -- yet the facts remain that they are too lazy and cowardly to become police officers themselves.