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Kevin March
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Not all charter schools spend less per child either --- there are some that spend more.


The general rule is that charter schools spend less per child.  Can you supply any examples where this is not a fact?


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Don't hold your breath waiting for that answer Kevin.
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Kevin you say it's a "general rule" By definition that means there is at least one exception...Unless you can prove there isn't a single school that spends more, I suggest you shut your pie hole. You overinflated sense of self righteousness is getting old!
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Kevin you say it's a "general rule" By definition that means there is at least one exception...Unless you can prove there isn't a single school that spends more, I suggest you shut your pie hole. You overinflated sense of self righteousness is getting old!


And I'm asking what that exception is. Maybe I should have said that it is THE RULE, instead of a GENERAL RULE. Would that make you happier?  


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Quoted from Kevin March


The general rule is that charter schools spend less per child.  Can you supply any examples where this is not a fact?


I don't have the specific citations in front of me -- but as recently as last month I heard a report (from a city not in New York State) where officials and residents were questioning the high cost of the charter schools in their community.

Kevin -- The FACT is that the taxpayers do NOT get to vote for the school board of the charter school nor vote for the charter school's budget.     The FACT is that every public $1 that goes to the charter school is TAKEN from the treasury of the public school district that the student lives in.

If you want state funded Charter Schools -- then let the Governor and State Legislature find money in the state budget to DIRECTLY fund the Charter Schools   ... but then I would DEMAND that Catholic and other private schools get state funding, too.


Personally -- My preference is to END the funding of public education by the property tax.  I have a plan to do that and will  lay it out during a future campaign for public office.


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  I have a plan to do that and will  lay it out during a future campaign for public office.



ROFLMAO ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !


Can you see DVFOL (Full of Lies) running for some office??????       Well, by law he would have to divulge all the things that he says is none of our business, which, right now isn't our business.   We will know all about the houses he claims to own, all about his alleged investments, his education and work history.    

He wouldn't stand a snowballs chance in hell that a party, ANY party would even endorse him!   Especially when his obscenities from this board are publicized, what he calls people, etc.    And of course, any one with an ounce of intelligence would see he how he is too embarrassed to admit the truths which is why he refuses to answer questions




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"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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I don't have the specific citations in front of me -- but as recently as last month I heard a report

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Of course he doesn't have any proof.  Don't cha just love his terminology now.   "specific citations"         So full of it.


Without reading or hearing any report from anywhere, my intelligence would indicate that there could be some charter schools that cost more.....I didn't pay attention to the details but I wonder if that felon in Albany and his failed charter school was one that did cost more,  Sure there are some that greed takes over.  While it's not a charter school, look at that Paul Mitchell place downtown.....SOOOOOO greedy that the billioniare ONLY opened downtown because he and the downtown sociliasts knew they would rob the financially struggling homeowners


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We also have to remember, DV is opposed to charter schools becuase he doesn't pay property and school taxes, knows nothing about them, and he favors big government at taxpayer expense.

Remember the mama's boy without a job is living off the huge pension of one of those union employees of government schools


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I don't have the specific citations in front of me -- but as recently as last month I heard a report (from a city not in New York State) where officials and residents were questioning the high cost of the charter schools in their community.


Then, it remains that you have no proof, and especially none in the highest taxed state and counties in the United States.  Feel free to take some time and find this proof.  I'd love to see it.

Kevin -- The FACT is that the taxpayers do NOT get to vote for the school board of the charter school nor vote for the charter school's budget.     The FACT is that every public $1 that goes to the charter school is TAKEN from the treasury of the public school district that the student lives in.


Yes, I realize that, but at the same time, the amount that is paid by taxpayers to the school district that the money is taken from is less than the amount that is actually budgeted by said school district, so therefore, the school district actually has a GAIN when a child leaves to go to a charter school.

If you want state funded Charter Schools -- then let the Governor and State Legislature find money in the state budget to DIRECTLY fund the Charter Schools   ... but then I would DEMAND that Catholic and other private schools get state funding, too.


Actually, as it goes now, the only ones that decide if the tax money goes to these schools is... every single parent of a child who is in school, in their choice of whether they want their child to go to the public school or the charter school.  Then, these same people still pay the taxes to the school district they live in, and only a portion of that goes to where their student is actually going.


Personally -- My preference is to END the funding of public education by the property tax.  I have a plan to do that and will  lay it out during a future campaign for public office.


I can't wait to hear how you expect that to happen.  Maybe charging tuition for what is now public school?  Then what will you do for the families that can't afford the taxes? Where will their money come from?  That's why the school districts are the way they are now and they are hurting seriously.  I look forward to that conversation.


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All the visions of grandeur one can imagine in the most sanguine atmosphere would not be enough to overcome the dreadful reality that this person has squandered every drop of his life from infancy to the present. There is no hope. Trying to have a rational debate with him is like trying to build an ice castle in the Mojave Desert. He is custom created in his weakness and emptiness to be a servant and hand-maiden for oppressors and tyrants.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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Well this is the first I've read on this issue in Rotterdam, I'll throw in my 2 cents for conversations sake. In many cases I believe charter schools are a good idea. Some school systems despite multiple different governmental interventions just can't seem to get it right. I don't believe this is the case with Mohonasen. My opinion is that our students recieve a high level education and that a charter school would at best be an equal. To summarize, if it ain't broke don't fix it.
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Well this is the first I've read on this issue in Rotterdam, I'll throw in my 2 cents for conversations sake. In many cases I believe charter schools are a good idea. Some school systems despite multiple different governmental interventions just can't seem to get it right. I don't believe this is the case with Mohonasen. My opinion is that our students recieve a high level education and that a charter school would at best be an equal. To summarize, if it ain't broke don't fix it.


I can appreciate that, but in the end, there is one thing that will determine if Mohonasen is doing well enough or not.  Allow the School to open and if the parents decide that Mohonasen is doing well enough, there will be no enrollment, so the school will close and only those who thought that it would be needed would be worse off, and it was their decision to try, just like a business.  This is a business decision at that point, and it will be determined if they have the customers.


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If the taxpayers were able to vote ....  Since, we can't .. then they should not receive a penny of tax dollars.

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Open mouth, insert foot       DV, your sentence should have read, "If the taxpayers were able to vote.....Since they can't....."

The word "we" would include YOU.   But YOU do NOT pay taxes.  


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Kevin -- The FACT is that the taxpayers do NOT get to vote for the school board of the charter school nor vote for the charter school's budget.     The FACT is that every public $1 that goes to the charter school is TAKEN from the treasury of the public school district that the student lives in.


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HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE


DV, the FACT is that the taxpyaers do NOT get to vote for the members of Metroplex NOR for the Metropplex budget.  The FACT is that the taxpyaers do NOT get to vote for the members of all those other boards related to downtown, NOR do taxpayers get to vote on those budgets.

The FACE, DV, is that every $1 that goes to downtown is money taken from the financially struggling homeowners, it is moeny taken away from the neighborhoods in which the taxpyaers live, it is money taken away from fixing roads on which the taxpayers drive, it is money taken away from maintenance of the roads which then can cause damage to taxpayers homes, it is money taken away from maintnenace of watermains and sewers which then costs the taxpayers THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS of dollars when there are heavy rains for exampls.  It is money that is taken away from police protection in the neighborhoods where the taxpayers live.


So, DV believes that taxpyaers must not a choice in their children's education.  Of course, if parents are rich then they can have a choice because they have the ability to pay.   But for the middle class and the lower income, oh well, you don't have $7,000 or more PER CHILD to pay for tuition, then DV says TOUGH SH*T you MUST send your child to a lousy perhaps dangerous school.   Isn't that right DV?????    I mean, DV, the typical family in Schenectady with an income of $30,000 a year, would you please answer and tell us HOW they can pay $15,000 for their two children to attend something other than Schenectady government school????????    Come on DV, answer the question,  How can  they?  


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