I didn't mean to suggest you are a politician...I think your rhetoric makes it pretty clear that you are not...that's why we stay 'off your back' ! LOL
I was only saying that if you prefer those alternatives you should see a lot more of them...the only problem is that they cannot win on those ballot lines alone.
we need billboards......
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I didn't mean to suggest you are a politician...I think your rhetoric makes it pretty clear that you are not...that's why we stay 'off your back' ! LOL
I was only saying that if you prefer those alternatives you should see a lot more of them...the only problem is that they cannot win on those ballot lines alone.
Gadfly, you seem to be missing the obvious point. Folks are tired of their failed politics as usual. There is an entire group of the electorate that are screaming for change. Pat Z is a prime example. Hull is another. Can they win? Maybe yes and maybe no. But for God sakes......ya just can't sit back any more!! Ya have to start somewhere.
Let's forget the names and faces for a minute. Folks have been waiting 'years' for their present political corrupt system to make a change. I think we can all agree, that things have instead gotten worse.
It may take time, but these independent candidates will change schenectady county politics. Ya have to start somewhere. Ya just can't sit back and try to work an already failed political system, with the same names and faces surfacing in every election.
The third line, independent candidates is a welcomed effort to the electorate and should be an eye opener for the already sitting political parties. PEOPLE WANT CHANGE!
These third line candidates didn't just evolve out of a vacuum.
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison
You are really getting desperate Cicero...obsessed with a single issue...not even the issue...but who stated their position and who did not...not like you, but...
Not desperate or obsessed at all. Maybe a little perturbed after getting our of work and standing in line for an hour at Town Hall one week before xmas to vote on this unnecessary tax district. And believe me, talking to people standing in line, they were also perturbed. Not only that this was put up for a vote, but also how poorly the voting was managed. One location?
I think BM's own statements are sufficient "proof" - lol - I was at the meeting when he stood at the podium and said the tax referendum "should not be decided by five people"...the comment was quoted in the People's Gazette....I never said he supported the tax....or disputed the clarity of his position on the TAX.
I've conceded this argument even without the proof and only your word. Now ND did have a REMS sign on her lawn didn't she? So if we are comparing apple to apples, based on your unsubstantiated claim the BM supported a referendum - both ND and BM supported the referendum while ND had a REMS sign supporting the district while BM had a No New Tax sign opposing the district, along with editorials, radio interviews, and personal conversations. While ND voted for raising our taxes by creating the NEW taxing district before she voted against it. While the State and Federal governments are cutting spending HUGE, we have these clowns put up a NEW taxing district that the residents never wanted in the first place.
Even if BM allegedly supported the referendum at a meeting you were at years ago, I can fall back on the same "things aren't always as they seem" argument to explain it away. - lol -
A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier. ~ H.L. Mencken Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. ~ H. L. Mencken The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. ~H. L. Mencken
Not desperate or obsessed at all. Maybe a little perturbed after getting our of work and standing in line for an hour at Town Hall one week before xmas to vote on this unnecessary tax district. And believe me, talking to people standing in line, they were also perturbed. Not only that this was put up for a vote, but also how poorly the voting was managed. One location?
I've conceded this argument even without the proof and only your word. Now ND did have a REMS sign on her lawn didn't she? So if we are comparing apple to apples, based on your unsubstantiated claim the BM supported a referendum - both ND and BM supported the referendum while ND had a REMS sign supporting the district while BM had a No New Tax sign opposing the district, along with editorials, radio interviews, and personal conversations. While ND voted for raising our taxes by creating the NEW taxing district before she voted against it. While the State and Federal governments are cutting spending HUGE, we have these clowns put up a NEW taxing district that the residents never wanted in the first place.
Even if BM allegedly supported the referendum at a meeting you were at years ago, I can fall back on the same "things aren't always as they seem" argument to explain it away. - lol -
I understand your aggravation with the management of that vote...I was in and out of there all day and evening...heard the same things...and I believe that the mismanagement was intentional...as I had outlined how and why in an editorial published in the Rotterdam Spotlight the week before that vote.
I have also previously confirmed on these boards that ND eventually allowed the placement of a REMS sign on her lawn only after FDG ordered her not to.
You don't have to take my word...and frankly I don't think you have...I think you "conceded" to a record you probably checked by now on BM's comments regarding the vote...and I have never disputed the claim that BM publicized his opposition to the tax and ND did not....but I also think this is bordering on petty cherry picking.
You have already conceded to the fact that the ST administration is the body that voted to form the district...the current Board voted to put the district tax to a vote. You are trying to twist this into a case of voting for one thing then voting against the same thing and that is not the case....just because ND supported allowing the public to choose their own tax fate doesn't mean she voted for the tax herself....unlike the ST administration that tried to force it upon taxpayers in a sellout that went bad for him.
You may remember Cicero, that you yourself were concerned about that tax passing because of what seemed like rigged circumstances...so my question now would be, why were you so concerned? Based on your more current comments, you obviously knew the district would be crushed....why didn't you share your clairvoyant vision with the rest of us? Maybe if you told the current administration how you could have guaranteed the defeat of that referendum they could have justified breaking ST's politically convenient promise of a vote by the public.
Gadfly, you seem to be missing the obvious point. Folks are tired of their failed politics as usual. There is an entire group of the electorate that are screaming for change. Pat Z is a prime example. Hull is another. Can they win? Maybe yes and maybe no. But for God sakes......ya just can't sit back any more!! Ya have to start somewhere.
Let's forget the names and faces for a minute. Folks have been waiting 'years' for their present political corrupt system to make a change. I think we can all agree, that things have instead gotten worse.
It may take time, but these independent candidates will change schenectady county politics. Ya have to start somewhere. Ya just can't sit back and try to work an already failed political system, with the same names and faces surfacing in every election.
The third line, independent candidates is a welcomed effort to the electorate and should be an eye opener for the already sitting political parties. PEOPLE WANT CHANGE!
These third line candidates didn't just evolve out of a vacuum.
If you think I don't understand the 'politics as usual' syndrome think again BT...as you know I am very conservative and enrolled in the Conservative Party...in Schenectady County! LOL! While it is unfortunate that many lump the conservative members of the local CP in with the special interest infections, rank and file members realize what you know...you have to start somewhere and be willing to continue the fight....on one front or another.
I don't disagree that changes are needed...it's the very reason I do what I do...in my own Party...in elections...town meetings...etc.
But as I have said, when it comes to candidates I do look at things on an individual basis...and that is why I do not believe that every single sitting elected representative needs to go...there are some, at all different levels of government, that I believe are worthy of keeping...and that we should build on their standards...to strive to add as many like-minded representatives as possible. I'm not saying there aren't entire local Boards, Councils, etc. that should be replaced...the City of Schenectady comes to mind...and Pat Z. would be an excellent start.
The political system in place may have it's drawbacks and changes may be warranted...but the fact is it will always be a system of politics in one form or another and I think it is naive to think that the political element will ever be eliminated.
It is true, Gadfly. There are MANY committee people in the GOP outrages over the idea we would take the fence jumper back, and that she has pre-set conditions over who she will deign to run with. She won't stoop to be on the ticket with this one or that one. So apparently the Godmother is like her spiritual mentors- the copservatives in thinking she is all powerful, omnipotent and calls all the shots! We need to kiss her ring and feet. Well guess what: it don't work that way.
You may remember Cicero, that you yourself were concerned about that tax passing because of what seemed like rigged circumstances...so my question now would be, why were you so concerned? Based on your more current comments, you obviously knew the district would be crushed....why didn't you share your clairvoyant vision with the rest of us? Maybe if you told the current administration how you could have guaranteed the defeat of that referendum they could have justified breaking ST's politically convenient promise of a vote by the public.
Actually I was quite confident it would fail if held at a reasonable time, date, and locations, I was concerned that ND and the rest were going to do all they could to discourage turnout with limited locations and date. Which they did. A town of nearly 30K residents voting on a tax referendum in one location with no absentee ballots, for 12 hours only.
So go reread my posts on the matter, you're WAY off the mark.
A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier. ~ H.L. Mencken Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. ~ H. L. Mencken The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. ~H. L. Mencken
It is true, Gadfly. There are MANY committee people in the GOP outrages over the idea we would take the fence jumper back, and that she has pre-set conditions over who she will deign to run with. She won't stoop to be on the ticket with this one or that one. So apparently the Godmother is like her spiritual mentors- the copservatives in thinking she is all powerful, omnipotent and calls all the shots! We need to kiss her ring and feet. Well guess what: it don't work that way.
There you go again GB...
OK, last time....ND IS NOT SWITCHING BACK TO REPUBLICAN SO THERE IS NOTHING TO TAKE BACK...ESPECIALLY WHEN SHE HASN'T ASKED YOU TO OH DEAR LEADER....
Actually I was quite confident it would fail if held at a reasonable time, date, and locations, I was concerned that ND and the rest were going to do all they could to discourage turnout with limited locations and date. Which they did. A town of nearly 30K residents voting on a tax referendum in one location with no absentee ballots, for 12 hours only.
So go reread my posts on the matter, you're WAY off the mark.
All I said was that you were concerned about a "rigged referendum" when the infamous DVOR suggested that you were worried about it passing...and once again, I am not disputing the potential risks that existed in the mismanagement of that referendum.
All I said was that you were concerned about a "rigged referendum" when the infamous DVOR suggested that you were worried about it passing...and once again, I am not disputing the potential risks that existed in the mismanagement of that referendum.
Well, I did share my clairvoyant vision with the rest of you. I said most residents opposed a taxing district and that the Town Board was going to do everything in their power to limit participation in the vote. I believe I was right on both predictions.
A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier. ~ H.L. Mencken Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. ~ H. L. Mencken The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. ~H. L. Mencken
She will never be the GOP nominee for supervisor. She burned her bridges. She can try swimming across now since they are unhappy with her on the side she joined.
Run the Roads YOU DO NEED A FOUR YEAR DEGREE IN SOCIAL WORK OR RELATED FIELD TO DO THAT JOB. YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOUR SPEAKING ABOUT BECAUSE YOU AHVE NO UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS NEEDED OR COMING DOWN THE PIKE.
Wrong again there is no need for a four year degree and everbody knows that. JD has the degree in taking all the older people for their money!!! Also putting the $$ in an envelope in the desk.
Wrong again there is no need for a four year degree and everbody knows that. JD has the degree in taking all the older people for their money!!! Also putting the $$ in an envelope in the desk.
Of course ya don't need a degree! It's a rotterdam political bullsh!t position!! Any nitwit can run it IF it were even necessary, which it is NOT!!
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison
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While the State and Federal governments are cutting spending HUGE, we have these clowns put up a NEW taxing district that the residents never wanted in the first place.
