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Felipe
January 7, 2010, 10:28am Report to Moderator
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I find it funny that Parisi asked Santabarbara to swear him in as the new TB member and two days later AS is a Dem ~ HA!

The Rotterdam GOP chair couldn't keep a district 4 elected Rep on the team ~ ouch!  Here's the problem ~ all these defections have one thing in common ~ Tom & Jerry (Dagostino, Vellano, Lazzari, Santabarbara, and God knows who next)

Not sure who is best to bring in energy and leadership to the GOP ~ but it will be fun to see.
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But they're not the problem-John Mertz is? ROTFLMAO!!
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I find it funny that Parisi asked Santabarbara to swear him in as the new TB member and two days later AS is a Dem ~ HA!

The Rotterdam GOP chair couldn't keep a district 4 elected Rep on the team ~ ouch!  Here's the problem ~ all these defections have one thing in common ~ Tom & Jerry (Dagostino, Vellano, Lazzari, Santabarbara, and God knows who next)

Not sure who is best to bring in energy and leadership to the GOP ~ but it will be fun to see.


Why do we give a rats-a$$ about the GOP.....as far as I'm concerned both parties in this area are stale at best....ALL retreads of
different sorts....whether by blood relation/business relation or just an outright retread and proud of it......

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The Third Party System was the political universe in American politics from about 1854 to the mid 1890s (see Second Party System, Fourth Party System). In terms of issues, the main concerns were nationalism, Civil War, modernization, prohibition, and race. In terms of parties, the Third Party System was dominated by the new Republican Party, which claimed success in saving the Union, abolishing slavery, enfranchising the freedmen, and adopting as well many of the Whig Party's modernization programs such as national banks, railroads, high tariffs, homesteads and aid to land grant colleges. It includes the politics of the Gilded Age. The Democratic party was highly competitive in most states, but won the presidency only in 1856, 1884 and 1892. In 1892, the Populist Party made a remarkable showing, winning 22 electoral votes and one million popular votes.

In terms of elections, the GOP was dominant 1860-1872, and most elections from 1874 through 1892 were close. However the main opposition party, the Democrats won only the 1856, 1884 and 1892 presidential elections; however, from 1874 to 1892 it usually controlled the House of Representatives. The northern and western states were largely Republican, save for closely balanced New York and Indiana. After 1874 the Democrats took control of the "Solid South." [1]


1856 Democratic winning ticketIn terms of voter coalitions, the main groups involved ethnic/racial, and religious (or "ethnoreligious") affiliations, which closely tracked moral issues in politics. In a nutshell, the South was split between the white Democrats and the black Republicans. In the North pietistic evangelical Protestants (such as Methodists and Congregationalists, Scandinavian Lutheran) dominated the GOP and pushed it toward anti-slavery and anti-liquor positions. Liturgical voters (Catholic, Episcopalian, German Lutheran) supported the Democrats. Irish Catholics emerged as a major leadership group in the Democratic party. Class differences also existed, with the middle class Republican and the working class Democratic. Farmers split.

In terms of rules, a central issue involved the right to vote of Freedmen (former slaves), which they had from 1867 to about 1890, when they were disfranchised.

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1 Complex origins
2 Voter behavior
3 Broad coalitions form each party
4 Religion: pietistic Republicans versus liturgical Democrats
5 Realignment in the 1850s
6 Ideology and Politics in the 1850s
7 The Civil War
8 Postwar
9 Climax and Collapse, 1890-1896
9.1 Populist debate
10 Rules changes
11 Third Parties
12 Fourth Party System, 1896-1932
13 noted

Complex origins
Gienapp (1987) is the most complex analysis of the formation of the system. His has six basic findings. First, the realignment of the 1850s began before the Whig party's collapse, not as a consequence of it. It was instigated, not by national politicians, but by the electorate at the state and local levels who lost faith in Whiggery. Second, what destroyed the Second Party System was an upheaval among the masses that mobilized ethnocultural concerns reegarding the paramount cultural issues of temperance, nativism, anti-Catholicism in protest against the major parties, and especially in protest against the Democrats who were forming close links with the Irish Catholics. Third, the Know-Nothing party was the organizational embodiment of this eruption. and in Eastern states the Republicans were a secondary force unable to take advantage of anti-Nebraska and antislavery sentiment because those issues were simply less salient among available voters who were troubled by the culture wars. Gienapp's fifth point is that the realignment of the 1850s was far more sweeping than those of the 1890s and 1930s, for it required voters in some states to shift twice, first toward the Know Nothings then second toward the Republicans in a "two step" process. And finally the role of party leadership was decisive. The Whigs lost their leaders; the Know-Nothings never had powerful or experienced men at the helm. The new Republican party had both, and was swept along with an enthusiasm that proved irresistible in every northern state.

Voter behavior
As with the preceding Second Party System era, the Third was characterized by intense voter interest, routine high turnout, unflinching party loyalty, dependence on nominating conventions, hierarchical party organizations, and the systematic use of government jobs as patronage for party workers. Cities of 50,000 or more developed ward and citywide "bosses," who could depend on the votes of clients, especially recent immigrants. Newspapers continued to be the primary communication system, with the great majority closely linked to one party or the other. [2]


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Senders, the same retread comment can be made about the NNTP, no?
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Senders, the same retread comment can be made about the NNTP, no?


only locally.....it's bigger than just Rotterdam.....I hope other folks think bigger too......I'm not worldly traveled or college educated...
but, I'm not stupid either......I look and listen then see and hear......as we all should do......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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A majority much more than veto-proof
Marv Cermak

Republicans, owners of just four seats on the 15-member Schenectady County Legislature during recent years, are down to only two votes.

The Democratic majority recently swelled to a lop-sided 13-2 because Republican Joe Suhrada didn't seek re-election and Ang Santabarbara tore up his GOP membership card and enrolled as a Democrat.

In the '60s, there was the same 13-2 numerical breakdown of the legislature, but back then the Republicans had the upper hand.

John McGuire and Gary White, both now deceased, were the only Democrats. I recall politicos used to kid that the two men could hold their minority caucuses in a phone booth.



Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/AspS.....Page=1#ixzz0d47xzqk2
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Felipe
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Ol' Marv isn't taking it easy on his buddy Surhada is he?

Seems to me that GOP chair Buchanan will ~ to the harm of the party ~ remain as chair until his term expires.

Getting back to the thread ~ Santabarbara better hope that his new party comes to his rescue ~ cause I have a feeling he's gonna have his hands full in the next election.
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You all cry TERM LIMITS TERM LIMITS! Then when a guy choses NOT to run for a seat after 8 years, he is "selfish" and "wrong" etc etc LOL!!!!!!  


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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I think that Ang has lost a lot of support from his base that voted for him by switching parties and the climate of the people right now is to not re-elect incumbents anyway.
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I think that Ang has lost a lot of support from his base that voted for him by switching parties and the climate of the people right now is to not re-elect incumbents anyway.

I agree. It will not be an easy ride for any dem or rep. The reps, if they play their cards right, can emerge victorious in the next election, which means Ang will do an ....uh oh!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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You all cry TERM LIMITS TERM LIMITS! Then when a guy choses NOT to run for a seat after 8 years, he is "selfish" and "wrong" etc etc LOL!!!!!!  


This is true, but at the same time, when it's as lopsided as it is and has been for a while, does it really make that much of a difference?  Maybe.


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January 20, 2010, 8:43am Report to Moderator
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You all cry TERM LIMITS TERM LIMITS! Then when a guy choses NOT to run for a seat after 8 years, he is "selfish" and "wrong" etc etc LOL!!!!!!  


GB ~ term limits my ars ~ Surhada was going to lose on the county level and you know it.  The three men in a room (Tom, Jerry and Surhada) backfired when they thought they could just do whatever they wanted and the people are sick of party bosses running the show.

Santabarbara loses the next election, no question.

As for any threat to Santabarbara from the NNTP ~ I'll bet the GOP is hoping for one now!  

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I think Suhrada would have won the Dist 4 election far more easily, I had said that MONTHS ago if you recall. The numbers are better by far for a republican. However, wild horses could not have dragged him down to that obscene sideshow for another 4 years. Suhrada is not a candidate for office and will not be. Parisi is no longer chair. You all have a fresh start to find better conservatives so go ahead, now is the time. As far as Angelo S. - he made a move calculated to help himself, and he will lose because of it.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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I also believe that ang made a major bad political move. Thank God he didn't give up his day job.


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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Well it happens all the time.  Look at Villano andDAgostino, Lazzari, Barrie and the list goes on.   Better ask Kelly Rhinesmith about it.  He was her fair-haired boy before it was Parisi.


If you "ask" me, I will tell you that you are an idiot. For the record, I knew nothing about Angelo's plans, and Lazzari and MB are not on the Democrat defection list.  

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