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You may want to check out David Giacalone's web blog regarding Susan Savage's ban on driving while texting. Click on the link at the end of this post for the full article:




susan savage gets something right: banning DWT
Filed under: Schenectady Synecdoche — David Giacalone @ 6:38 pm
.. We’ve probably spent more than enough time on Wendy Savage today.  In contrast to all that good press, there’s another Ms. Savage who’s has gotten nothing but bad reviews here at f/k/a the past couple of years (see here, and there): She’s Susan E. Savage, the Chair of the Schenectady County Legislature.  But,, it had to happen: Chairwoman Savage has proposed a local law that actually makes good sense.  Indeed, we supported just such a law for the entire State about 5 weeks ago here at f/k/a.
To wit: If Susan Savage gets her way, “Texting while driving could soon be banned in Schenectady County” (CBS 6 News, October 23, 200................http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2008/10/23/susan-savage-gets-something-right-banning-dwt/
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Instead of long delayed County cuts we get more stupid unenforceable County laws. Another new low.

      Like law enforcement here doesn't have more pressing issues?  Focus like a laser on the bloated County budget and slashing the 13% County tax hike not another idiotic nanny law to pull $150 out of our empty pockets. Another problem solved that never existed. Board of Supervisors NOW! Metrograft Audit NOW! Ray resign in disgrace-NOW!
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Well it is OK but maybe could have waited another few weeks so they coud tackle the budget crisis? No? Is that an attack?


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Isn't the courthouse too small now......those folks and their phones wont fit......who are they kidding.....I say let the insurance companies fight out the
who is to blame.....the lawyers will love it and we sure as hell pay a hefty sum to the 'insurers'(oxymoron--rates went up after9/11, obviously overspent
or over hedged).......


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... Focus like a laser on the bloated County budget and slashing the 13% County tax hike not another idiotic nanny law to pull $150 out of our empty pockets. ...


Benny,

Perhaps this legislation by Savage and her Democratic majority is their planned approach to close the
$10M shortfall in the 2009 County Budget, $150 at a time.

I agree with you that this proposal by Savage, though worthwhile, is nothing but a diversion from the important business of the county taxpaying residents.  I guess when you have nothing else of substance, you turn to feel good legislation.
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this whole thing is dangerous with the phones and pagers and that. these kids should be banned from having any of that there. You people dont get it that the person is trying to protect the kids and you still want to cause the trouble
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this whole thing is dangerous with the phones and pagers and that. these kids should be banned from having any of that there. You people dont get it that the person is trying to protect the kids and you still want to cause the trouble


Here's the thing,,,they need to learn that just because something isn't illegal that it is righteous or okay.......if there are fender benders
on the rise due to cellphone crap then let the insurance companies fight it out without the government----that's what they are for....
make them work for their pay.....as for folks being killed,,,,well, there's not much we can do other than pray.....it's illegal for minors
to drink and it is illegal for anyone to drive drunk......

they only legislate to posture or to protect interests/investments..........(both parties)


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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we need laws or we become like the animals sender
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we need laws or we become like the animals sender


Agree....laws are the whips for the wrong......but, where is the foundation of knowledge, discernment, wisdom......???? buried
somewhere????


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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I'd like to think our political leaders are willing to act (and the populace will support them), when irresponsible people are behaving in a way that endangers the life and property of themselves and others. Until insurers can raise people from the dead or cure spinal injury, I'd like government to act.   As far as not having a budget yet, I've always figured Democrats could walk and chew gum at the same time, even if the other parties can't.
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Ok...so IF someone does get caught 'texting', what is the punishment? Or will it just be another plea bargin?


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Bumble, I think a violator should get a hefty fine and maybe lose some points.  If under 18, perhaps an automatic suspension would be another penalty. And, if you cause an accident while texting, there should be jail time.  

Remember back only a few years when only a few people even had cellphones in their cars, and they used them rarely?  Now we have non-ending phoning while driving by a large part of the population, and Chrysler is building new cars (plus aftermarket gear) to make every car a wifi hot spot, so that the driver can do everything at the wheel you can do at your home or office computer.  We need to speak out loud and clear -- driving is too important and too dangerous for all this highly-distracting multi-tasking.   Since individuals won't use common sense and common care, the rest of us need to set the rules and enforce them.
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Just look around while you're driving and half of the people on the road with you are on their cell phones, that's against the law which isn't being enforced.
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Although I agree with you in theory, I find that it will be almost impossible to enforce this law. I happen to know first hand, people who text while driving. And again, although I agree with you that it is dangerous, these people text with their cell phone on the seat next to them. So it would become virtually impossible for anyone to see or know if someone is texting or not.

I just personally think it will be one of those un-enforceable laws. And that there are many more pressing issues facing Schenectady county that needs to be addressed. JMHO


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Good point David!  I believe that our county should start re-testing our elderly drivers, to be sure they are safe to be on the road.  It's pretty much a consensus in the medical industry that as we age, our reflexes and response time become slower, along with poorer vision and hand eye coordination.  And that some of those in the elderly population have abilities that are impaired to that similar to drunk drivers, due to the natural aging process.  Statistically speaking, I would have to assume that elderly drivers are as much of a hazard on the roads and those who text.  

If Susan Savage is truly concerned about public safety on our county roads, she should tackle the issue of unsafe seniors on the roads.  I'm sure Ms. Savage has the courage to address this real and statistically substantiated problem of unsafe elderly drivers.  An article in the USA Today finds that drivers over the age of 85 have a 4 times greater chance of an accident that teen drivers, and are involved in 3 fatal crashes a day nationally.  And 15.4% of Schenectady County residents are 65 or older, looks like an impending crisis.  http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-05-02-older-drivers-usat1a_N.htm

But, let me get back to reality, and give the real reason this real issue concerning public safety will never be touched.  That is because seniors show up to the polls in force on election day, and no politician would ever touch that issue.  So we end up with this resume building proposal by Ms. Savage, giving her campaign mailer an extra claim reading " Ms Savage protects you on the roads by passing legislation banning texting while driving".  When there is actually no evidence that texting and driving is so hazardous that it reaches the point of legislating a ban.  

Just another example of the uselessness of our county legislators.


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.  We need to speak out loud and clear -- driving is too important and too dangerous for all this highly-distracting multi-tasking.   Since individuals won't use common sense and common care, the rest of us need to set the rules and enforce them.


Smoking cigarettes while driving should be outlawed also.  Holding on to a hot cigarette while operating a 2000+lb piece of machinery is lunacy.  Putting all on the roads at risk.  Screaming kids in the back seat of the car should be banned also, or at least encapsulate the driver in a sound proof cabin, as to prevent distraction away from task at hand.......Driving.  One hand driving should be banned also, enforcing the 10 and 2 position on the steering wheel.  Open toed shoes could potentially be a hazard when operating a motor vehicle, so we might want to look into banning open toed shoes and even high heels since it may interfere with proper contact with the gas and brake pedal.

I could go on and on with this.  Maybe I should run for legislator.



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The overall issue is the sad fact that the American public is so stupid that they need a law to realize how dangerous it is to text and drive.  
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David, with one week until the budget is adopted and a huge tax increase and spending plan is forced down our throats, this is a cynical attempt to distract, which represents more than walking and chewing gum. This is political gamesmanship at it's best, and it is surprising you don't see through it, especially since the county probably won't take it up until early to mid November, well AFTER the tax increases floats through. But of course the "focus" of the media and public will be the new law to ban texting which is much more glamorous than the budget dealings. It caught your attention, didn't it?

But did you think about the budget with it's unneeded PR man, it's raises for management, it's raiding of the fund balance, and it's overestimation of revenues, thus putting the county into shaky financial territory? No, this new "glamorous" bill caught your attention, thereby showing that political stunts work! Even with educated voters!!!


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Cicero, I won't even try to simmer you down, you seem to be enjoying yourself too much.  

Many tests have shown phoning while driving (hand-held or hands-free) reduces reaction times as much as being DUI, and as much as being over 70 years old.  Texting is even more distracting than mere telephoning. Our brains can deal with holding a cigarette while driving, but not with holding a long-distance conversation. Society and its lawmakers can distinguish between those sorts of added, unnecessary dangers and Cicero's list of horrors.  Passenger cars will always have passengers in them (especially one's small children), but they do not have to offices, living and entertainment centers, or telecommunication portals.

Rene, you're right that we have a society that is either incapable of understanding the dangers or so self-centered it is indifferent to them. The answer can't be to just let them go ahead as if they have a right to put everyone else at risk.

As far as enforcement goes, most texting is noticeable.  And, should there be an accident or a dispute over whether texting took place, records will be available from the service-provider to show the exact timing of all messages.  There are few crimes or traffic violations that have such built-in, accurate records.
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SCHENECTADY COUNTY
New law to ban texting while driving

BY MICHAEL LAMENDOLA Gazette Reporter

    Come January, texting on a cell phone while driving in Schenectady County could cost you.
    Majority Democrats in the Schenectady County Legislature will introduce a local law that makes texting while driving a violation. If convicted of the violation, the fine would be $150.
    They will introduce the local law at their November meeting. A public hearing will follow a month later and the law is expected to take effect in January, said County Attorney Chris Gardner.
    A Republican legislator called the plan a sideshow to deflect attention from a pending tax increase.
    Schenectady would become the fourth county in the state to ban texting or to introduce the ban.
    Chairwoman Susan Savage, DNiskayuna, who will introduce the local law, called texting on a cellphone while driving an important public safety issue. “Research has shown the dangers of driver distractions, so it is important that we propose legislation that will prevent a deadly accident before it happens,” she said in a news release.
    Sheriff Harry Buffardi said his deputies would enforce the local law throughout the county, as they do other traffic laws. He expects some difficulty spotting people who text while driving, but suspects many do. He is unaware of anyone crashing while texting in the county in recent times.
    Gardner said the local law would allow other law enforcement authorities in the county to write tickets as well. The $150 fine would go to the municipalities where the ticket is written, even if by a deputy, he said.
    Gardner said research by the Nationwide Mutual Insurance Co. shows 20 percent of drivers between 18 and 60 are sending text messages while driving and that Zogby found 66 percent of 18- 24-year-olds text while driving.
    At least one legislator thinks the proposed local law is a sideshow to the county’s fiscal problems. The Legislature is reviewing a $279 million budget that carries at 13 percent increase in the tax levy. Legislators have to adopt a budget by Nov. 1.
    “Sue Savage needs a message: one to remind her people don’t like her record tax and spend budget she is trying to distract attention from,” said Legislator Joe Suhrada, R-Rotterdam.
    “With just a week before she institutes her wallet-busting budget, the timing of this hype is politically convenient. We need to work on the record tax increase she is about to impose and get down to the business of cutting, rather than putting on a sideshow.”
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As others have so adeptly argued, there are many activities that are dangerous to perform while driving.
The passage of unenforceable legislation to change undesirable behavior is an exercise in futility.  The NYS law
prohibiting the use of a cell phone without a hands-free device while driving has done little to reduce this behavior.
It has, however, generated revenues in the form of traffic fines and increased profits of insurance companies that raise
premimums for those convicted of such traffic offenses; money that has then been spent by government.  This is yet another revenue source.  As others have stated in this forum, "you can't cure stupid".

I agree that the County Legislature has more important business at hand.  I also suspect, as others have opined, that this is a deliberate diversionary tactic; a distraction of the public interest from the excessive 13% property tax increase.
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Well stated Liberty! And very well said Mr. Suhrada for this.....
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At least one legislator thinks the proposed local law is a sideshow to the county’s fiscal problems. The Legislature is reviewing a $279 million budget that carries at 13 percent increase in the tax levy. Legislators have to adopt a budget by Nov. 1.
    “Sue Savage needs a message: one to remind her people don’t like her record tax and spend budget she is trying to distract attention from,” said Legislator Joe Suhrada, R-Rotterdam.
    “With just a week before she institutes her wallet-busting budget, the timing of this hype is politically convenient. We need to work on the record tax increase she is about to impose and get down to the business of cutting, rather than putting on a sideshow.”
At least one legislature speaks for us. Unfortunately it just isn't enough!!

I would also like to add, that since there already is a statewide ban for cell phone use while driving, why didn't they, our county legislatures, approach the state for expanding/amending the law to include texting or for that matter any activity with cell phones? I'm not a governmental lawyer, or any lawyer for that matter, so I don't know if this could have been done.


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Bumble, how does opposing a good law banning an unnecessary and dangerous activity constitute "standing up for us"?

Yes, a statewide ban is preferable.  But, local governments do not have to wait for the State to act to protect their people.  Also, when the State acted over cellphones in cars, it did so to pre-empt local bans, and put in a phony safety law that made the cellphone companies and irresponsible drivers happy, but simply encouraged more driving while phoning, while permitting hands-free phones, which are just as distracting and dangerous as the hand-held.  If enough counties pass bans on DWT, it should help nudge the State to pass a universal ban.
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Bravo to Joe Suhrada. This is an idiotic distraction, nothing more. Anyone who supports this nanny nonsense and not cutting the bloated County budget by at least 15% is finished in politics. They cannot even run for Dog Catcher. Mark my words.
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In doing this, Susan Savage has successfully diminished a potentially good policy.  I did a public policy research study on such a program, banning texting while driving.

However, by introducing it now, she is giving the impression that she is diminishing the economic issues of the county.  Because of this, due credence will not be afforded to the DWT bill.

An overall loss for the county, yet again.
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Perhaps Suhrada IS for the legislation, done appropriately, and perhaps more enforceably statewide. However by springing this onto us days from adoption of the largest spending scheme in county history (200 years) she shows political gamesmanship to the tenth power. Someone should ask Suhrada if he is FOR it and why he is pointing out that this is political nonsense at this TIME.


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    As far as not having a budget yet, I've always figured Democrats could walk and chew gum at the same time, even if the other parties can't.
Oh I have no problem with them walking and chewing gum at the same time. I'd figure that even the dems can do that too. They just can't legislate, govern the people, listen to their constituants, balance a budget, stop creating patronage jobs, creating more government programs or stop spending and over taxing the taxpayer! And those are just to name a few.

Walking and chewing gum? No problem!


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Democrats need to focus on County budget cutting not enacting legislation that should be done at the STATE LEVEL. When you say Democrats can do two things are once you are severely mistaken. They haven't announced ANY cuts only a pay raise to every management employee, many of who make more than their State counterparts.

     They also have wasted weeks begging the State, while every other County has announced major cuts and lay offs. We also hear about Metrograft paying Bethesda House a profit for yet another parking lot! Sell the County Home, close every City library branch, lay off 10% of County employees, lead or get out of the way. The sheeple have had enough.
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now I know you all have been critical of me Sal for making Surhada as one of the wrong ones with Burhmaster and Farlye but I will say that he is wrong again and I will try to be nice about it since you here have been angry at my beliefs. He can save lots of lives and Savage needs the credit and passing this now shows the demos can do the differnt things at once and not just handle 1 job per time. I am glad Ang backs this and it was only Joe S who was against since no one really listens to him and his hot air really any way. So it is election time and he is making waves but it is Savage who wants to save the kids. They need to ban all of this stuff now for the safetey of the roads. Capice? Mr S please quiet down since you are propabbly mad you didnt think of this first
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does Ang back this?
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That is a good question, isn't it. Do you think the reason "Ang" wasn't in the paper was because of anti-Italianism?  


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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lol -- what di u say, sal, is there an irish mafia consipring to keep italians done over here?
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Anti-Italianism?  That reminds me of a county leg. race wherein Suhrada was accused of using "anti-Italian rhetoric" by the Democrats...when he's Italian himself! haha
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does Ang back this?
Good question! And the answer is?



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We are still waiting...tick tock tick tock...no answer


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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This is just plain stupid....this is smoke up our butts.......nothing to gain......let the insurance companies fight it out.....I'm sure they have something
written in their policies' small print about texting,putting on lipstick, drinking coffee, smoking etc that allows them to not pay for stupid.....

SHOW ME THE MONEY TRAIL......take away the $$ and folks will pay attention-----that's how politicians get votes they give the $$......


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what is Savage getting? A few years ago she had this bill about inhaled alcohol, which was the big rage in NYC supposedly, and they passed it where it go "banned" in our county. Well shortly after she received a large donation for a thousand dollars from a company which is the largest nationwide distributor of alcoholic beverages! SHOW HER THE MONEY BABY!!!!l


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Forgive my ignorance and apparent lack of memory, but what the heck was this 'inhaled alcohol' bill? And how did Susan Savage defend her accepting the $1,000 contribution?


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it was a fad -- people would inhale atomized alcohol --- was supposed to give u a quick and powerful high -- worry was that young folks would like it too much and blow their minds//
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Hearing set tonight on texting while driving ban in Schenectady County
Tuesday, December 9, 2008
By Michael Lamendola
Gazette Reporter

SCHENECTADY COUNTY — The Schenectady County Legislature will hold a public hearing at 7 this evening on a proposed local law to ban text messaging while driving.
“This is an important public safety issue,” said Susan Savage, D-Niskayuna, chairwoman of the county Legislature. “Research has shown the dangers of driver distractions, so it is important that we create legislation that...............................................http://www.dailygazette.com/news/2008/dec/09/texting1209/
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Ya, forget "common sense" - go straight for "legislation"
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Legislation for stupidity
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I thought this was a "hearing" tonight ... do they always vote at hearings?  For some reason I thought they had public hearings then scheduled a vote.

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Legislative Chairwoman Susan Savage said that the vote to ban texting while driving was passed 11 to 2. The ban will become effective March 1st 2009.


Don't they have a few more pressing issues right now? Like maybe local economy? Asking where the Metroplex state audit is? Moving the DSS operations? Funding the Sheriff's office to fulfill the state mandates? Complying with the state requirements that they relocate / renovate the courthouse (that was supposed to be done 2 yrs ago)? Coming into compliance with HAVA?  Fixing the problems with the county nursing home?

I agree, this is a stupid thing for people to do ... if you can't take time to pull over before you start a text message, then you shouldn't be driving. Nothing is that important - but comon people, common sense needs to prevail. Our elected officials (should) have more important things to worry about.
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Another story by Lamendola...probably didn't stick around for the vote, "had to get to press," and all.  

...At least it's another way for the locals to bring in some money off the backs of people...but maybe the town/city/county cops won't pull over county residents, that way they can give the same answer as the bed tax...it doesn't really affect people who live in the county...


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Hey, they had to justify the chairman of the scotia democrats who they gave that PR job to, he earned his keep apparently and made some PR


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Obviously the county democrats have issues..... but what i found most disturbing was Suhrada saying on the news how he was distracted by a pretty girl etc... I just really think the repubs should think before
talking... and I like Suhrada.... you know what... screw repubs ..... screw democrats, this whole county legislature needs to be revamped...
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SCHENECTADY COUNTY
Law forbids texting while driving
Violators could face fine of $150

BY MICHAEL LAMENDOLA Gazette Reporter

    Beginning March 1, Schenectady will become the latest county in the state to ban texting while driving.
    The county Legislature Tuesday night approved a local law making it a violation to be sending text via a cellphone while driving. The violation comes with a $150 fine if convicted.
    Legislature Chairwoman Susan Savage, D-Niskayuna, who sponsored the legislation, said the law will make the county’s highways safer. “I think this is an important piece of legislation for Schenectady County,” she said.
    The vote was 11-2, with Republicans Jim Buhrmaster, R-Glenville, and Joseph Suhrada, R-Rotterdam, voting against. Republican Angelo Santabarbara, R-Rotterdam, supported the law.
‘OVER-REACHING’
    Suhrada criticized Savage, saying she wants to stop the people from texting, “but the reality is that the people want to stop Sue Savage from taxing.”
    Suhrada said the Legislature should focus on fixing its severe financial problems rather than embarking on a “sideshow.”
    “Let’s do what we are empow- ered to do, and stop employing stunts and PR tricks to take the focus off the fiscal train wreck we are headed for,” he said.
    Suhrada also said the state should pass legislation on text messaging, rather than leaving it up to counties to create a patchwork of laws. “We are over-reaching and should let the state handle this on a statewide basis. We need to concentrate on more important aspects of fiscal responsibility and budgeting so as not to drive our taxpayers into bankruptcy,” he said.
    Buhrmaster said he spoke with law enforcement officials about the county law before Tuesday night’s vote. He said they will support it but they also said there are many other distractions in vehicles that are just as bad.
    Majority Leader Gary Hughes, D-Schenectady, said many state laws, like the helmet law and the cellphone law, began as local measures. “We are raising awareness of a particular issue, and until the state acts, we should,” he said.
    Legislator Tony Jasenski, DRotterdam, said .............................................http://www.dailygazette.net/De.....amp;EntityId=Ar00104
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Fifty percent of drivers are talking on cell phones without hands off devices and not very many of the drivers are pulled over and fined, another law that won't be enforced.
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Obviously the county democrats have issues..... but what i found most disturbing was Suhrada saying on the news how he was distracted by a pretty girl etc... I just really think the repubs should think before
talking... and I like Suhrada.... you know what... screw repubs ..... screw democrats, this whole county legislature needs to be revamped...


Yeah I heard Suhrada say on TV " Fall foliage, fancy cars and pretty women have all distracted me at one time or another, when do we make that illegal?"

MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IMPEACH HIM NOW!!!!! THAT is the most disturbing thing I ever heard rightious!!!!!!!!! What an animal Suhrada must be- he actually admitted to having been distracted by those evil and sinful things?????? He needs to be voted out as soon as possible since that is much worse than the whole thing where they came of with the half cocked idea. GET HIM OUT NOW, HE LOOKS AT PRETTY WOMEN AND THERE IS NO ROOM IN THE PUBLIC FORUM OR IN DISCOURSE FOR ANY HETEROSEXUAL MALE ADMITTING HE HAS LOOK AT PRETTY WOMEN WHILE DRIVING AND STATING SUCH ON THE FLOOR OF OUR ESTEEMED AND PURE COUNTY LEGISLATURE!!!!! Now if he were gay then I say it's OK. If he said cute boys, then you could NEVER say anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I bet the Dumicrats will have a great flyer that will only be distributed to little old Italian, Catholic ladies who we all know are sexless and will be totally APPALLED by such bad things being said!!!! They will probably feint when they read his comment, especially if you sit down with Brian the Quaile and write a little poison pen piece!!!



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Sure happy the County has no crime nor tax concerns so they can concentrate on this. More ninny-nanny nonsense from the horrible County Crats. Shocked that Angelo voted for this manure. It's all about revenue generation. Once they pull you over for texting maybe they can find a sticker or cracked mirror issue. Bravo to Joe Suhrada (again) and Jim Buhrmaster.

     Al on WGY-810AM spoke against this for an hour. Nobody was for it except one socialist from Vermont. Next this will become a State violation with points to raise your already record car insurance costs. Another reason to move from Schenectady County.
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.........or another reason NOT TO TEXT WHILE DRIVING!!!!!!!!!  I'm not saying I'm in favor of it, nor will it be enforced other then perhaps by stringent search for a couple of months to justify the laws existence.  I just think it is pathetic that people are so stupid to think they can do both at one time.
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First, you shouldn't legislate to protect against irresponsibility.  If you do, there will be so many laws on the books that one will have to consider each decision and action that one makes/takes.  How far do we go in this spirit, before we lose our freedom to decide for ourselves?

Second, how can such a law be enforced?  Will law enforcement have the right to seize a motorist's cell
phone and/or review monthly billing statements?  If so, does that constitute a violation of one's privacy?

If a law cannot be enforced, it shouldn't be passed.  Passage of
unforceable legislation promotes public belief that laws can be broken without consequence.  

The cell phone while driving law is an example of one that can be, but that clearly is not being, enforced.  The enforcement is seemingly done selectively.  Further, I have witnessed some in law enforcement
driving while holding a cell phone to their ear.

It's easy to pass legislation without considering the repercussions including the constitutionality and the enforceability of the laws.  Our Schenectady County Legislature has experience doing so.  Consider the Sex Offender Relocation legislation that was deemed unenforceable by the Sheriff and that was contended to be unconstitional by some.  The value of these two laws is to the Legislators who promote an image of caring and responsibility to their constituents.

The adage that you can't cure stupid seems to apply.
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How long before the Schenectady County Legislature passes a law that drivers and passengers in automobiles must wear helmets?  The existing helmet law for motorcycles could be extended to apply to automobiles with the cited aim to protect the public from injury or death in the event of an accident.
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How long before the Schenectady County Legislature passes a law that drivers and passengers in automobiles must wear helmets?  The existing helmet law for motorcycles could be extended to apply to automobiles with the cited aim to protect the public from injury or death in the event of an accident.


Oh geeze Brad, don't give them MORE stupid ideas, k?

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Perhaps this law should have been about safety and saving lives, which I am even in question about that,  but it WASN'T!!! It is all about collecting more revenues from the sheeple!!! It is all about meeting a 'quota'. It is all about the county/towns counting on 'irresponsible behavior' to pad their budgets.

Well, what about drinking that dunkindonuts coffee while driving? Smoking while driving? Those screaming kids in the back seat while driving? Talking on a blue tooth while driving? Opening or closing a car window while driving? Turning on or off heat/ac while driving? Driving on icy roads. I mean really.......where do they draw the line between irresponsible driving and distractive driving? It is all about REVENUES and it is all nonsense!!!!!

And who are these 'irresponsible' government officials that even know the difference?

And may I add that I'm very surprised that Angelo voted for this nonsense law!!!!


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If it's illegal it gives footing to the insurance companies or vice-versa.....who's zooming whom????

BTW---COMMON SENSE IS KILLING US........


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

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I still what shocked me most was Suhradas comment about the women. Didn't he know he was supposed to call in Gay today? It was national call in Gay day and he had nerve acting so heterosexual and insensitive. Arrest him!!!!!! NOW!  


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Well, Mr. Suhrada 'could' have called in today to support the gay agenda since he is his own boss. I would have lost my job.

But to get back on topic, Mr. Suhrada may have sounded foolish to some, but I think he made the point that his foolishness regarding this stupid text messaging law is JUST AS FOOLISH!

Suzie will tax anything that moves, breathes and has an alphabetical letter in it. Then they can continue to create those patronage jobs and government programs!! Robbing the people of self reliance!


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the economy is so bad that the pitance of 'tickets/fees' they collect goes,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,where????????? Does anyone really think that it is for the safety of
community.....PUUUUHHHHLLLLLEASE.......

Maybe she was riding in an SUV(her's/county/friends/whoever's) looked down into a VW and noticed a college kid texting at stop light and then Ms.Savage
saw $$$$ signs........she then called all her insurance friends and invested her $$$ into the insurance companies........


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

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I wonder why Angelo supported this.  It's not exactly something to go along party lines, but it's another tax / fee on anybody coming through Schenectady County...one they may not even realize is an issue until they see the bubble gum machine blinking in their rear view mirror.


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He may be worried that it will used against him if and when he runs again. You know how the dumicrats act 'ANGELO SANTABARBARA WANTS YOUR CHILDREN TO DIE ON THE HIGHWAY! HE DIDN"T SUPPORT WHAT SOME CALL THE GREATEST LIFE SAVING MEASURE IN COUNTY HISTORY!!!...blah blah blah"

He could be adverse to that risk and want to eliminate an issue that has great resonance with people, especially young parents of teens who want the government to be the parents so they don't have to. I don't blame him for picking his battles. Look, Suhrada was wicked against it and people on this board are saying to sweep him out for his comments. Sometimes in politics it is better to just go along on a few things and not make yourself a target down the road like Suhrada has.


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Texting law not worth trouble

    Schenectady County Legislator Joe Suhrada made a good point about the texting-while-driving ban pushed through the Legislature the other night by Chairwoman Susan Savage: Doesn’t this body have more important things to do?
    The answer is yes, albeit not unequivocally.
    Without question, motorists who send or read text messages over their cellphones while driving are a threat to public safety. It’s a much bigger distraction, and thus more dangerous, than merely talking on a cellphone while driving, which is illegal across the state unless a headset is used.
    Suhrada supports the idea of a texting ban, and so do we. But for it to have even a reasonable chance of succeeding, it probably needs to be imposed at the state level (like the cellphone law, which is roundly ignored probably because it is rarely enforced).
    How does Savage plan to spread the word about the ban, which becomes effective March 1? Is she going to have signs made up and posted at every entrance to the county? Will she buy advertisements on TV, in newspapers or billboards? Such an effort could get expensive — at a time the county is strapped for cash. Yet without such an effort, how does she expect anyone to know about the law?
    Then there’s enforcement: Does she expect police, whose record when it comes to enforcing traffic laws is already pretty uneven, to enforce this one? The fact that there’s been such lax enforcement of the cellphone law makes it less likely that motorists will comply with..............http://www.dailygazette.net/De.....amp;EntityId=Ar01102
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The politicos always use the children as a podium......well, politicians are not born/voted out of a vacuum......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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we must save the children and be the parents for those not wishing to do the job of parents


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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Tougher penalties needed for texting while driving

    I was very disappointed to learn that Schenectady County now has a law to stop motorists from texting while driving. The law is great, but the $150 penalty is a joke.
    The penalty for the first offense should be at least six months’ loss of your license along with the fine. Multiplied by at least three for each future offense, both the fi ne and loss of license.
    Why I say the $150 fine is a joke is, it’s not “fair” to everyone: To a kid working at Burger King, it might mean his whole week’s pay, while it may only be an hour’s pay to some others. If the people in the higher income range are fined $150, they might just laugh it off and continue to break the law. But if they lose their right to drive. it’s a whole different ballgame.
    Texting while driving is somewhat like playing Russian Roulette with your car, except that if you lose with the gun, you only kill or injure yourself. But if you lose while texting, you might well bring a lot of innocent people down with you. If you do kill someone else, the charge should be premeditated murder, not manslaughter or vehicle homicide, and there should be a mandated penalty with no plea bargaining. You really don’t want to know what I think the penalty should be.
    Either get rid of the law or put some teeth in it.

    NEIL NUSBAUM
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I am (like Rightious) MOST disturbed by Joe Suhrada's comments regarding the pretty women and want to know what action will be taken, legally, or otherwise. He said it and I am waiting for the outrage. Where is it? ...will this be the defeat of Suhrada next year when he runs against Bob Godloseski? They say it will be the match of the century. Suhrada promises he will be fighting against wasteful spending like he has for years and Godloseski will promise to do nothing. But first we need to address the seriousness of the charge that Rightious made in order for Rightious to keep his credibility on this board. How do we get the legislature to open an investigating on it?


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Oh please....as ridiculous as the dems can be, they surely could care less what Suhrada says about looking at a pretty woman. I mean really...who gives a 'you know what'? If the dems do, then they are even more pathetic and petty than most thought!


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I feel no outrage over Joe's comment.  Who hasn't been distracted by some outside force while driving at one time or another?
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How dare he exhibit his heterosexual tendencies in public ... doesn't he know that's not politically correct these days?
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I can appreciate a well coiffed member of the opposite sex myself.....and I've been married 30 years.  
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I think that Joe was trying to make the point that there are many things that can distract us while driving and are we going to try to pass a law against each and every one of them?
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Bravo to Joe Suhrada for standing up to this joke, unenforceable distraction. What red blooded American male hasn't been distracted by a pretty young thing while driving? That the Gazetto agreed with him shows that the vast majority are laughing at Savage and her puppets for passing this ninny nanny law. Instead of budget cuts or Metrograft elimination we get this nonsense.

    Mr. Nusbaum's letter is typically of the idiots on the left around here. The whole purpose of this is not safety but emptying your pocket. Increasing the fine just hurts the vanishing working class. Next it will be a State law with points to drive up your record NYS insurance rates. Than morons like Nusbaum will be happy.
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the economy is so bad that the pitance of 'tickets/fees' they collect goes,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,where????????? Does anyone really think that it is for the safety of
community.....PUUUUHHHHLLLLLEASE.......

Maybe she was riding in an SUV(her's/county/friends/whoever's) looked down into a VW and noticed a college kid texting at stop light and then Ms.Savage
saw $$$$ signs........she then called all her insurance friends and invested her $$$ into the insurance companies........


Madoff scheme?????



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Texting while driving ban not needed or enforceable

Re Dec. 10 article, “Law forbids texting while driving”: I find it absurd that there needs to be a law passed forbidding text messaging while driving. Isn’t it already against the law to use a cellphone while driving?
Not to mention the fact that cellphone use while driving does not appear to be enforced; now the authorities have another issue to “look the other way” on.

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I agree w/ Dana.  There are laws on the books that can be enforced to address those who drive
irresponsibly.  This is another law that won't can't / won't be enforced.  

What was the real motivation for proposing and passing such legislation?
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I agree w/ Dana.  There are laws on the books that can be enforced to address those who drive
irresponsibly.  This is another law that won't can't / won't be enforced.  

What was the real motivation for proposing and passing such legislation?


$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$/votes/insurance lobby/open door for tracing/tracking......remember, cell phone records checked for time of accident
and what was happening with the service at the time.......

BIGGER BIGGER BIGGER PICTURE HERE.......we are pioneering Americans....not bulls with rings in our noses........


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

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I agree w/ Dana.  There are laws on the books that can be enforced to address those who drive
irresponsibly.  This is another law that won't can't / won't be enforced.  

What was the real motivation for proposing and passing such legislation?


The real motivation is very simple and in plain sight.  Now they can say......'Look what we did....because WE CARE.'  Anyone with a lick of sense knows this won't be enforced.
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what is Savage getting? A few years ago she had this bill about inhaled alcohol, which was the big rage in NYC supposedly, and they passed it where it go "banned" in our county. Well shortly after she received a large donation for a thousand dollars from a company which is the largest nationwide distributor of alcoholic beverages! SHOW HER THE MONEY BABY!!!!l


I was wondering why a Alcohol distributor out of Connecticut donated 1000 clams to the Friends of Savage.  Now it makes sense!  She's a real person of principle isn't she.



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Don’t pass laws you know won‘t be enforced

    Legislators, whether at the local or national level, continue to create laws that are not enforced. Just drive down one of our highways and observe the speed limit signs. There is no correlation between the posted limit and what warp operators are actually driving in.
    The same with current cellphone laws — lipstick in one hand and a cellphone in the other. Now text messaging. Another law, another joke. This, they hope, will take the focus off their inability to pass tangible and substantive legislation. Or take the focus off the lack of enforcement in relation to existing, conscionable statutes.
    The real injustice is that it gives law enforcement agencies the ability to administer "selective enforcement." If you know someone or are connected to a mover and shaker, then the law is easily circumvented. The common citizen without connections is the one who pays.
    These types of selectively enforced laws, whether at the national, regional or local level, undermine democracy. It is no wonder that apathy, political disengagement, and disrespect for the law runs rampant in our society.
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Savage didn't do anything right, she will not do anything right and has not done anything right. This is what she did, distracted the sheeple from the record County deficit Democrats created, from the complete failure of Metrograft under Death Ray, and her failure to sell the County Home. In other words, it was a brilliant political move.
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If it will save ONE life, it will be worth...







...wearing body armor 24/7.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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I was wondering why a Alcohol distributor out of Connecticut donated 1000 clams to the Friends of Savage.  Now it makes sense!  She's a real person of principle isn't she.

Good point! But why WOULD anyone from another state contribute?



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  from the complete failure of Metrograft under Death Ray


I hope you're not suggesting that Metrograft would be an acceptable and more successful public authority if run by somebody with an (R) next to their name.  Metrograft in principle is a failure, under the control of either one of these corrupt parties. People thought the Republican revolution in 1994 was going change the tax and spend liberal ways of Democrats.  What do we have??  A $1 trillion dollar deficit created by the equally insane tax and borrow philosophy.  So much for fiscal conservatism.  America hasn't seen deficit spending like this since the 1940's.  The difference is, in the 40's we were indebted to ourselves, and not our most formidable enemy, the Chi-coms(Communist China) 

There will be no change in this country until people stop with the partisan "my political party is better than your political party", when the truth is they're both the same, handing the reins of the country back and forth every 10 or so years.  Whether these career politicians are in the minority or the majority, they have the ability to enrich themselves and their largest donors who keep them in power. It's criminal.





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There will be no change in this country until people stop with the partisan "my political party is better than your political party", when the truth is they're both the same, handing the reins of the country back and forth every 10 or so years.  Whether these career politicians are in the minority or the majority, they have the ability to enrich themselves and their largest donors who keep them in power. It's criminal.


Thought it worth a second read in the event your comment was missed the first time!!!!!!!!!
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There will be no change in this country until people stop with the partisan "my political party is better than your political party", when the truth is they're both the same, handing the reins of the country back and forth every 10 or so years.  Whether these career politicians are in the minority or the majority, they have the ability to enrich themselves and their largest donors who keep them in power. It's criminal.


here here......


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Text-messaging ban a matter of safety

    I was glad to see the Schenectady County Legislature ban text messaging while driving [Dec. 10 Gazette]. Certainly. This initiative will make the roads safer for all of us.
    I was also disappointed to see Legislators Joe Suhrada and Jim Buhrmaster willing to put their politics before protecting the people who elected them. In both Nassau and Westchester counties, the ban passed unanimously because safe roadways are not, and should not be, a Democratic or Republican issue.
    While this law seems like common sense, the need is very real. In Washington, a 53-year-old driver who was checking his email caused a five-car pileup near Seattle. In California, a 46-year-old train engineer was sending and receiving [a] text message prior to a collision that led to 25 fatalities, and 130 injuries. Closer to home, just over a year ago in Monroe County, five teenage girls were killed in a tragic car crash which authorities have said could be linked to text messaging.
    Chairwoman Susan Savage and the rest of the Legislature who voted for this important law deserve a round of applause, rather than the childish boos that Suhrada hurled.

    THOMAS BELLICK
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Mr. Bellick, the Chairman of the Democrat's Union and Nott Street committee, is apparently, himself, unable to see beyond politics.  While common
sense dictates that it is unsafe to text message while driving, there are practical considerations regarding the notification of the existence of this regulation in Schenectady county and the enforcement of this law that were apparently not considered and addressed by Ms. Savage in this "feel good" legislation.  The timing of the proposal of the legislation, when efforts should have been focused on reducing county spending so that taxes would not be increased by the reported 9%, is suspect and clearly a political play.
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This crumb ought to spend more time watching his own kids, one of whom at least was arrested in Schenectady several months ago, instead of being a nerdy toady for the SAVAGE Machine in the county. He is obviously angling to run for office and needs to spend as much time on his knees groveling as possible for the bosses at the county. He shouldn't try to talk with his lips up someone's butt. What comes out smells pretty foul, like his own teenage kid's criminal behavior.

I suppose it what is meant by a Merry Christmas.

My Mom used to say "if everyone paid attention to their own families first, the world would be a lovely place." Sadly this guy would rather throw crap at Mr B and Mr S than make sure his kid is doing the right thing and not out breaking the law. Politics, politics, politics and not an ounce of statesmanship to go around when it comes to the "New Team."


Sad....tisk tisk tisk...


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OK Graham, spill it, what was he/she arrested for?
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check the papers and see, it wasn't pretty.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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Forcibly taking money from a person with a few other young men apparently? Nice extra curricular sport. Maybe Dad needs to spend more time with the boy instead of running butt-kiss letters for Suzy Savage and Chrissy Gardner. each time he takes time to ghost sign a letter like that while down at his job at the Housing Authority, he is spending less time making sure his son doesn't turn out to be a lowlife common criminal. Maybe there is still a chance for him to straighten himself out, but his parents seemed to be engaged up to their red berets in ultra-left wing politics and destroying capitalism (except for cronies of SS) instead of child rearing.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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Texting law, and others, need some real teeth

    There have been a number of letters recently concerning the law against texting while driving.
    The preponderance holds the view that it is an unenforceable law. That is a load of baloney! All laws can be enforced if the penalty for a violation is severe enough to make self-policing the enforcement tool. Politicians pass legislation for image, not for effectiveness. Laws are written with built-in excuses for all the ways in which an attorney can get you off, and not to eliminate or prevent undesirable behavior. Most people excuse their own unlawful behavior, believing that "everybody does it." Everybody does not!
    Many laws have penalties that may have been severe in 1850, when $10 was a month's wage, but that same penalty will not deter anyone today. Want to stop texting and cellphone use while driving? Call it reckless disregard for the safety of others. If your phone records show that you were using your cellphone within five minutes of being stopped, then the assumption is that it occurred while you were driving — and the penalty is one month's gross earnings based on last year's tax returns or current compensation, whichever is higher. Second time means confiscation of your vehicle and double the fine. If you are in an accident, you are charged with attempted murder. If someone is killed, it will be first-degree murder. If it is a minor, the same financial penalties will apply to the parent or responsible guardian. Do the same with DWI.
    These are deliberate actions! These are not accidents that happen to you. They are accidents that you cause or fail to avoid because of intentional distraction or impairment.
    Let's have an end to the sorry excuse, "I didn't mean that to happen." The pertinent question is: "What did you do to ensure that it did not happen?" Did you call a cab to take your drunken body home? Did you pull off the highway to make or take your extremely important call?
    We live in a culture that provides more excuses than there are snowfl akes. How many times have you heard, or perhaps said, in defense of someone, "He didn't mean that. He was drunk!" Yes, he did mean it, and yes, he was drunk. But he does not deserve to be excused for poor behavior within his control. You don't get drunk by accident!
    White kids committing crimes often get suspended sentences and have their records sealed. That's like no penalty at all. I know people whose children were not even grounded after committing serious crimes. Publish pictures of juveniles and identify their parents. Public humiliation may be undesirable, but it is not cruel nor should it be unusual. Let juveniles pay for being stupid. Juvenile criminals know their behavior is wrong: Stop excusing them and their parents. Identification will result in better supervision.
    Every law that fosters an attitude of "I'll pay the fine" simply leads to a society that picks and chooses which laws, if any, are to be obeyed. Crime can be lessened by passing tough laws that do not contain built-in excuses and which carry penalties applicable to today's culture. Punishment should not only fit the crime, it should act as a serious deterrent.
    One excuse for not having severe penalties is, "He's not really a criminal." No penalty, including death, is a consideration for the true criminal. Penalties for violating laws should be sufficient to ensure that they are seriously considered when the non-criminal is contemplating his behavior.

    FRANK ELFLAND
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  We live in a culture that provides more excuses than there are snowflakes.


Perfect!!!!
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Politicians pass legislation for image, not for effectiveness.

Perfect!!!


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So much about that letter was perfect.  Think about it, what is politics, campaigning, and being elected all about?  It's a popularity contest.  Myself included.  I spewed all the rhetoric, I never made any promises, but I told people I was the best candidate because.......and I went into all kinds of reasons.  Five years after being elected Supervisor a couple of times I realize none of those reasons could have prepared me for the undertaking.
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Every law that fosters an attitude of "I'll pay the fine" simply leads to a society that picks and chooses which laws, if any, are to be obeyed.


I guess Ms.Savage has enough money to buy her way out of a ticket etc....the other folk dont either dont have the $$ or take a cab......


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Drivers warned
against phone use

    SCHENECTADY — Law enforcement agencies will be cracking down this month and in March on drivers using cellphones while driving in Schenectady County, according to the Schenectady County Traffic Safety Board.
    Police last year issued 750 citations to people who used their cellphones while driving during two campaigns, the board said.
    State law prohibits the use of a hand-held cellphone to engage in a call while driving. Violators face fines up to $100 and a mandatory surcharge of $50.
    In March, texting on a cellphone while driving becomes a crime in the county. Violators are subject to a $150 fine per offense.
    The Schenectady County Legislature passed the ban two months ago. Chairwoman Susan Savage, D-Niskayuna, sponsored it.
    “This is an important public safety issue,” Savage said. “Research has shown the dangers of driver distractions so it is important that we have legislation that will prevent a deadly accident before it happens.”
    Other counties with the ban are Westchester, Suffolk and Nassau.
    Alaska, California, Connecticut, Louisiana, Minnesota, New Jersey, Washington State and the District of Columbia have statewide bans. Twenty-three other states are considering similar legislation.
    — MICHAEL LAMENDOLA

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The exact law:

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New York State has passed a law that does not allow you to use a  hand-held mobile telephone while you drive. If you use a hand-held mobile telephone while you drive, except to call 911 or to contact medical, fire or police personnel about an emergency, you can receive a traffic ticket and pay a maximum fine of  $100 and mandatory surcharges of $60.



Unless they've snuck it in someplace that only the Gazette knows of, you can still use hands free Bluetooth headsets/receivers to make/receive calls as a driver or passenger of a motor vehicle.

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Good find MT. As usual the Gazetto is wrong. Who's fact checking over there?

    Take this warning very seriously. The main place to hang up is on 890-right off the Thruway in Rotterdam. The Rotterdam Town Court needs larger quarters to prosecute all these phone offenders. Sue Savage was wrong, continues to be wrong and only interest is not public safety but taking more funds out of your pockets. Only in Schenectady County would this carpetbagger be elected and than made leader of anything.
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This is  only just something else to add to Suzie's resume. EVEN THOUGH it is hardly enforceable. Just put the thing on speaker and place it on the seat next to  you ......or stick the blue tooth in your ear and chat away. They won't know if your singing to a radio tune or just plain nuts and talking to yourself. Sorry to say this folks, but I think that we are all multi tasked enough to talk and drive at the same time. I REALLY DO! But only with the cell in speaker mode or using a blue tooth.

Text messaging on the other hand is a different story. But yet another law hardly enforceable!! If Suzie is looking for more revenues, she is barking up the wrong tree! IMHO


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It's probably only fine-able AFTER the accident......wait,,,,,,pause.....new technology on the way--of course.....digital car readers/scanners,,,no need for
the police....the car will shut off after the 4th letter is typed.......

someone needs a job and someone will fill it.....who is up to the task for the design?----oh, it's already designed....we need the
assemblers to be retrained for their 'new' jobs.......


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Texting-while-driving ban nears
Schenectady County law starts Sunday, Albany County weighs action


By CAROL DeMARE, Staff writer
First published in print: Wednesday, February 25, 2009

ALBANY — A ban on text messaging while driving is just days away from taking effect in Schenectady County, and a similar proposal to outlaw messaging and e-mailing behind the wheel in Albany County is getting closer to reality.
     
Signs will go up on Schenectady County highways this weekend to alert motorists they will be stopped and ticketed if caught sending or receiving a text message while driving, Schenectady County Legislature Chairman Susan Savage said.

The law takes effect Sunday. The penalty: $150 per violation.

Savage, a Democrat, pointed to fatalities in New York and around the country attributed to texting. The Schenectady County law is intended to raise awareness "so people think twice before texting and driving," she said.

Savage introduced the law in October, and it passed a month later. "We left enough time for law enforcement and the public to know how the law will change," she said. Reminders were included in county paychecks as well as articles in high school and college newspapers, she said.

Albany County is about five months away from the same type of enforcement. A public hearing on a proposed local law, introduced last summer by lawmaker Christopher Higgins, will be set for March 24 by the County Legislature at its March 9 meeting. If it passes, it should be on the books in April and take effect Aug. 1, the Albany city Democrat said.

On Monday night, the legislature's Law Committee voted to send Higgins' law for a public hearing. It would ban drivers from using a wireless hand-set to read or send text messages while operating a vehicle on any street or highway in Albany county. Penalties for violating the law would range from zero to $150 per offense.

"This is another perfect example of where the county has to close the loophole in the state law," Higgins said. The state enacted a cell phone law banning talking and driving, but state lawmakers "didn't realize back then that cell phones would evolve as to where they are little computers and people can text, e-mail and instant message."

The state law banning hand-held cell phones while driving took effect Nov. 1, 2001.

Last year, the state Senate passed a bill, sponsored by Sen. Carl Marcellino, R-Syosset, prohibiting drivers from sending text messages while driving. The Assembly didn't act on it.

"Bringing the cell phone law into the 21st century by prohibiting texting and e-mailing while driving is a no-brainer," Higgins said. "While it was not a common practice when the cell phone law was first passed, text messaging has become prolific with over 300,000 texts being sent per minute."

He cited the American Automobile Association that found that activity that takes a driver's attention off the road for more than two seconds can double the risk of a crash.

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More useless. unenforceable legislation. Savage Stylin! Had enough -YET? Bravo to only Joe Suhrada and Jim Buhrmaster for opposing this idiotic law. This is sexism and ageism because teenage girls text. She will use this to vault into Tedisco's Assembly seat-LOL!

  Like Lumpy Kosiur would use the pedophile relocation law?  These Krats don't get it-once you're in this horrible County Legislature-that's it. You're finished politically. No one outside this County will ever vote for you. And those that do in County should seek professional help.
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I met this girl the other day. We were talking about the new text message law. She said that she doesn't use her cell phone to text with. She has her wireless lap top next to her in her car and so she drives with her left hand and types and reads emails with her right.  
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LOL! She is multi-tasking and will not be prosecuted under Savage's idiotic nanny law. Padding a thin resume for Assembly? People will remember the Downtown library fiasco, the SCCC Music Department fiasco, and the fact that she supported raising our County property taxes in a recession by 10% when every other County cut taxes. Nominate her please Krats so that Golden Boy Jeff Blatnick can crush her.  Olympic hero versus a tax and spend zero.
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Olympic hero versus a tax and spend zero.


good one mr salami.  Im no fan of the savage one either
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no you here are wrong both of you - Mrs Savage thank you for saving the lives of kids you have made us safer and their lives mean more then the political grand - standing of the loser repubs
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So  did anyone go to the Sue Savage fundraiser  Monday night........I bet Benny  went  
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SCHENECTADY COUNTY
Texting while driving to bring fi ne
Violation of new ban will cost $150 starting Sunday

BY EDWARD MUNGER JR. Gazette Reporter

    Those tiny buttons on cellphones are hard to see while you’re driving.
    And since the number pads often contain several letters, it can take multiple clicks to get the right letter before moving onto the next when you’re sending a text message.
    Indeed, one of the toughest parts about sending a text message while driving is having to look back up through the windshield to make sure the car is still on the road.
    Starting on Sunday, law enforcers in Schenectady County will make it easier for motorists to resist sending a text message while driving. Getting caught doing so will produce a $150 ticket.
    Schenectady’s law is one of numerous laws municipalities nationwide are implementing or reviewing with the goal of making the roadways safer.
    “If anything, we wanted to at least bring awareness to the dangers of it,” said Joe McQueen, director of communications for Schenectady County.
    “It’s not that [police are] going to be out there looking for every driver to see what they’re doing; the belief is people will gradually start to realize the dangers. We have to change as technology changes,” McQueen said.
    The Montgomery County Board of Supervisors considered a countywide ban last week but voted it down.
    Amsterdam town Supervisor Thomas DiMezza said discussion on the ban focused on who would be responsible for enforcement. Some believe the county attorney has to prosecute county-based local laws, DiMezza said.
    DiMezza said that in his opinion, legislators should pass a law statewide.
    “Put it in the vehicle and traffi c law and everybody can enforce it,” DiMezza said.
    According to a press release from the Schenectady County Legislature, several other counties have already passed such bans, including Westchester, Suffok and Nassau.
    In Albany County, a similar law will be the subject of a March 24 public hearing, and final action by the county Legislature is expected on April 13.
    Several bills aimed at banning text messaging while driving are also being reviewed by the state Legislature.
    One bill under review in both the state Senate and Assembly would modify the current statewide law against talking on a cellphone without a hands-free device in a vehicle to include a prohibition on texting.
    It would also add an educational requirement to the law calling for cellphone safety to be part of the pre-licensing requirements.
    The bill asks that the Department of Motor Vehicles develop a curriculum for pre-licensing to....................http://www.dailygazette.net/De.....amp;EntityId=Ar01101
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What more can be said about the idiocy of all of these laws. I mean really, lets encapsulate the kiddies in moon suits and let them live in a germ free plastic bubble too, the American way, right? Take no risk ever, whatsoever for any reason, ever again. Maybe that is a great way to be. But then again maybe the bunch of you that want that put to shame the memories of your ancestors for taking that great big risk of coming to America instead of crawling through the filth of their European and Irish hovels and slums, waiting for crumbs from their sovereign rulers.

I love this country but hate to think of what this great land of risk takers has become. Filled with mamby pamby socialists all scheming how to better give up their hard won freedoms as fast as they can so that the great big brother nanny can watch over us all as children. If today's current crop of Americans landed at Jamestown or Plymouth Rock, the whole kit and kaboodle would turn straight around at the thought that there wasn't police, remote cameras, gun control, sidewalks, ambulance chasers, labor unions, OSHA, handicapped parking, nonslip surfaces, child proof pill bottles and laws like this. But they never would of gotten onto those wooden ships to begin with out of abject terror, so the people who lived here would still be Native Americans, who at least had liberty and guts. More than I can say for us today.    


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Well said Graham.
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Very well said!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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it is insane to be against any and every thing that could save the lives over here. Over there in the old country things were dangerous too and our people left to come to safer and better places here and when things were dangerous like the way the hillbillies here lived with the guns and that there then the old timers would rightfuly go on back to th e old country where there was the security they knew would protect them the carbineri who watched out for us. I read the crazy thing you said about the guns and it scares me to think you repubs have the guns since the goverenment cant control you the way it needs to now because they let it get out of hand with all these crazy guns everywhere. WHO WILL PROTECT US NOW THAT ALL YOU RED KNECKS HAVE THE GUNS? WHO?
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Sal it's time to get up off your butt and protect yourself.
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KETTERING — A Harrison Twp. woman faces child endangering charges after police said she admitted to breastfeeding her child and talking on a cell phone while driving, according to Kettering Police Officer Michael Burke.

The incident happened about 7:45 a.m. Thursday, Feb., 26, near the intersection of Far Hills Avenue and Dorothy Lane, Burke said.

A male motorist called the police department's non-emergency number to report that he had seen the woman breastfeeding and talking on a cell phone while driving, Burke said. The man reported that he also witnessed the woman driving a Honda minivan into the parking lot of a local school and saw some children get out of the van. The man then got the van's license plate number and called police.
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Oh please, don't let suzie hear about this. Then there will be a DWBF law!!!


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In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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Oh please, don't let suzie hear about this. Then there will be a DWBF law!!!


Please BT don't give her any more idiotic ideas. Just what the hard working law enforcement people need more unenforceable ninny-nanny laws by "Assemblywoman" Sue "THE" Savage. How anyone could support  her for dog catcher is beyond me. Sal and other cheer leaders need to talk to her neighbors-you will get an earful. Let her run against Golden Boy Jeff Blatnick-she won't even carry Niskayuna. Olympic hero vs. tax and spend zero. Fund raiser? lol! She is laughing all the way to the bank at you County sheeple.
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Did anyone see suzie on the local new tonight boasting about the new DWT law? It was comical at best! She said that she sees people driving while texting and using their elbow to steer the car.  

So she is confident that law enforcement will see them too and they will get slapped with a $150 fine. Like our law enforcement don't have enough to do in the city already.


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kewl - I can still surf the web and use other internet devices.  I'm glad this law was well thought out!
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Yup....I got my wireless laptop right next to me in my car. Surfing and emailing. Why? Cause I can!


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In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


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Yup....I got my wireless laptop right next to me in my car. Surfing and emailing. Why? Cause I can!


Don't laugh, I tether mine to my blackberry all the time.

Catch me if you can
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Barking orders on my cell phone, surfing on my in car computer, while chomping on a big cigar. Now I feel so much safer because of "Assemblywoman" Sue "THE" Savage. She's right{?} Schenectady County is a great place to pay Metrograft and record County property taxes!
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What a surprise! As predicted by moi and reported by Marv Cermak {in today's TU} Sue "THE" Savage has pulled out of consideration for the Assembly seat. Something about couldn't pin Jeff Blatnick {R-Ballston Lake}. She is "considering" a run for State Senate! Ha-Ha, Hee-Hee, Ho-Ho. lol!!. Like voters in Fulton County would support her. This is too funny. Delusions of competence. Say Schenectady County.
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Too bad she doesn't have to resign from the county in order to run, that'd be sweet
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it is insane to be against any and every thing that could save the lives over here. Over there in the old country things were dangerous too and our people left to come to safer and better places here and when things were dangerous like the way the hillbillies here lived with the guns and that there then the old timers would rightfuly go on back to th e old country where there was the security they knew would protect them the carbineri who watched out for us. I read the crazy thing you said about the guns and it scares me to think you repubs have the guns since the goverenment cant control you the way it needs to now because they let it get out of hand with all these crazy guns everywhere. WHO WILL PROTECT US NOW THAT ALL YOU RED KNECKS HAVE THE GUNS? WHO?


Yeah, Sal.....and you're soooooo urbane.......I bet you have sticks and stones....all you need now is a recycled rubberband and
we could have a 'little war' in your little Italy.......


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Without enforcement, car texting ban a joke

    Schenectady County lawmakers did it a few months ago, and now Albany County’s have passed a law making it illegal for motorists to send text-messages on their cellphones while driving. Good for them, but how do they envision this law being enforced?
    It’s not so easy to tell, at least not from outside the car, when a motorist is pecking away at his cellphone’s keypad (which, more than likely, is in his lap). It’s far easier to ascertain, for example, when someone is yakking on their cellphone — which has been illegal across the state since 2001. And everyone knows how lax cops are about enforcing that law.
    So the texting-while-driving ban, while certainly well-intentioned, is probably going to do little to discourage people from engaging in that suicidal behavior. It’s little more than legislative windowdressing, a “feel-good” law, as some have called it.
    By the same token, it probably couldn’t hurt for the state Legislature to join the happy throng of local legislators and make the ban statewide. At least then, there would be no ambiguity about where the practice is OK and where it’s not. Texting while driving is certainly dangerous enough to outlaw, if only outlawing it were enough to deter people from doing it. How about at least an occasional, token enforcement effort?

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No tickets yet in texting ban...

http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=791772


What an epidemic we had! Good thing all the Niskyauna moms and dads will come out in droves to reward Savage for her momentous contribution to keeping their kids safe! Oh THANK YOU, THANK YOU LADY SAVAGE AND LORD GARDNER! MAY WE KISS YOUR RINGS NOW?


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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But there are gray areas of the law, Pollard said. If you're stopped in your car, even just at a red light, you might be able to fit in a quick e-mail. The law only says you can't text while the car is in motion, Pollard said.



lol .. this is all just too funny.
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I questioned the wisdom of passing this law when Savage proposed it citing the inability to enforce.  There were many unanswered questions about this piece of "feel good" legislation.  For example, do the police have the power to seize the cell phone or obtain phone billing records to prove that the accused was texting at the moment that they were pulled over?   The law has a loophole that the vehicle must be moving.  So if a driver is texting while stopped at a red light, it is not a violation of the law.

The politicians, including Angelo Santabarbara, rallied around this legislation to make it appear that they are
serving the public interest.  I recall that only conservative Legislator Suhrada opposed its passage.  Kudos to Suhrada for seeing through the farce.
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Like many have said...it was just 'feel good' legislation that could have never been enforced. What I do find even more strange, is how this was NOT in the gazette.


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Well if they printed this in a newspaper that some number of actual voters in this county actually READ, perhaps it would cost Savage a vote or two. That is a risk far to great for Izvestia to take when they have such a stake in seeing their candidates win elections. The county news outlet editors are part and parcel of the democratic party apparatus and will not go beyond a few admonishments now and then in order to make it appear they are not utter statists. Sometimes Savage goes a tad too far and Tass has to slap her wrist, if only to perpetuate the myth that they are "unbiased." Comrade Judy Patrickova, any comment? Maybe she is tied up getting her orders from the Boss, Comrade Gardner.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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When will the liberal media wake up and see that they have failed the people? Acknowledge that by NOT listening to ALL of the people, they will continue to drop in ratings and readership?

When any media outlet starts to disregard 'the people', whether they agree with the people's stand or not, will be considered an insult and will turn to a media outlet that will listen and regard the people.

That is why the gazette had to expand beyond Schenectady county for their news coverage AND to increase readership. Cause they were losing big time in this county. However, it will be a matter of time for the other areas catch on. Although it would be interesting to know how closely affiliated the gazette is with the politics in these other areas.  Well, we'll be sure to spread the word.


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you know it could be that the people and the kids got the message we would be tough on the texting thing and they stopped so leave it alone
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"Suicidal behavior" ya mean like voting for a Krat? That destroyed an entire State. This is a major problem in crime riddled Schenectady? Today 2 teachers at the Schenectady High School were hospitalized breaking up a fight amounst girls! This County is going to hell in a hand basket and all this useless County Legislature does is pass more idiotic laws. The one leader who opposes this nonsense is not running again!

   I hope the first people that get texting tickets are Gazetto editors who engage in this "suicidal behavior" in Niskayuna. ROTFLMAO!!
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Thank you Miss Savage and Judy and also thank you to Tony J and Angelo. NO THANK YOU SURHAD ONCE AGAIN   _   NO GOOD FOR THE KIDS OR THE PEOPLE HES TO EXTREME AS USUAL SO FORGET IT SELAMI
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"Suicidal behavior" ya mean like voting for a Krat? That destroyed an entire State. This is a major problem in crime riddled Schenectady? Today 2 teachers at the Schenectady High School were hospitalized breaking up a fight amounst girls! This County is going to hell in a hand basket and all this useless County Legislature does is pass more idiotic laws. The one leader who opposes this nonsense is not running again!

   I hope the first people that get texting tickets are Gazetto editors who engage in this "suicidal behavior" in Niskayuna. ROTFLMAO!!
Sure we need a change from these dems....but where? The dems are on self destruct and bringing us right along with them with our higher taxes. The reps have a clear leadership issue and the cons are not even a recognizable political party anymore.

So where is the new, not recycled politicians?



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thank you Miss Savage you were right and the repubs were wrong
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The law banning texting only gives insurance companies the ability to say 'no to payment' due to distraction......there by limiting liability or some
dumb a!@ belief in control over it.......PULLLLLLLLLLLEASE.......


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Schenectady County police are itching to give tickets to texters
Wednesday, July 1, 2009
By Justin Mason (Contact)
Gazette Reporter

SCHENECTADY COUNTY — Lt. Jason Temple of the Schenectady County Sheriff’s Department is eager to write a ticket for the next driver he sees tapping out a text message on a cellphone.
Law enforcement officials roundly agree that the practice is dangerous. Yet after more than four months on the books, the county’s law enforcement agencies have yet to nab a single motorist for violating the county’s ban on texting while driving.
“I always dream about giving one,” said Temple, who also heads the county’s Traffic Safety Board. “But nobody in the county has given one yet.”
And some police aren’t sure they’ll ever be able to write one of the tickets — each carrying a $150 fine — much less have it successfully prosecuted in town or village court. Glenville police Lt. Rick Conley said it’s hard for patrolmen to differentiate whether a driver is hitting speed dial to make a legal call with a hands-free device or using a mobile phone to surf the Internet, which doesn’t appear to be covered under the law prohibiting the composing, reading or sending of text messages.
“The intention of the law is very good because there is an issue with people texting,” he said Tuesday. “The problem is that it’s hard to enforce.”
Conley also questioned the difficulty in proving a case in court. He said a case coming before a justice court would likely rely on the officer’s word versus the motorist, unless prosecutors subpoena phone records.
“It’s going to be very time-consuming for a minor offense,” he said.
Also, not all police in the county are enforcing the ban. State troopers patroling the outlying regions of Schenectady County and the interstate thoroughfares will not issue tickets for a driver they see texting because they don’t enforce local ordinances or county laws, said a sergeant stationed at the Princetown barracks.
But the lack of enforcement is policy-based, not because the troopers themselves don’t consider the practice of texting while driving a danger.
Keeping the roads and highways safe was the main goal of the legislation, explained Susan Savage, the chairwoman of the county Legislature who proposed the law in December. Still, she regularly sees people tapping away as they drive, which is something that she figured police would also notice while they are out on patrol.
“If they’re not seeing people texting while driving, they’re not looking very hard because it’s evident on all our streets and highways,” she said. “Maybe they’ll have to look a little harder.”.............>>>>............>>>>.........http://www.dailygazette.com/news/2009/jul/01/0701_txting/
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In my blind fanaticism, I must say that this is the dumbest law these fools ever dreamed of. It is the Republicans fault though, because they didn't compromise, and convince or persuade any of the democrats to change their minds, so I agree with Cicero- throw out the remaining Republicans and you can have all robots in charge in the future.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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Maybe I'm not trying hard enough to get caught - I'd love to be the first ticket!

Where do they all hang out - that's where you'll find me, cruising the blvd, browsing the web and more on my blackberry.  Comon boys, I dare ya!
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In my blind fanaticism, I must say that this is the dumbest law these fools ever dreamed of. It is the Republicans fault though, because they didn't compromise, and convince or persuade any of the democrats to change their minds, so I agree with Cicero- throw out the remaining Republicans and you can have all robots in charge in the future.


You forgot non-persuasive.  You also forgot to blame Susan Savage's children for the law, because you heard they admired their mother, they must be communist to the likes of Stalin.

Her dog and cat can be Mao and Marx.


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Keeping the roads and highways safe was the main goal of the legislation, explained Susan Savage, the chairwoman of the county Legislature who proposed the law in December. Still, she regularly sees people tapping away as they drive, which is something that she figured police would also notice while they are out on patrol.
“If they’re not seeing people texting while driving, they’re not looking very hard because it’s evident on all our streets and highways,” she said. “Maybe they’ll have to look a little harder.”
WOW....how out of touch is suzie? Has suzie been informed that it takes cops a couple of hours to respond to a 'real' call? That DWT is clearly NOT a priority to them? And has suzie seen the number of people still talking on cellphones while driving? I must see at LEAST 10/day!

I have been in cars where (stupid) people are driving while texting....and they are so freakin' good at it that NO ONE would know. NO ONE! These people who drive while texting, can do it without even looking at the phone. It's all by memory and feel of the phone.  So I don't know what the hell suzie is talking about.

Not to mention, that this statement that the cops will have to look a little harder, isn't going to make or keep some friends! I'm sure the cons didn't like that statement!

And suzie must be just a wee bit out of touch with crime in the area. Would someone please take her out of her tax and spend world and show her what the world she lives in REALLY looks like?


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In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


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And to think you wanted a badge Bumblebutt.  Scary thought.
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And to think you wanted a badge Bumblebutt.  Scary thought.
Sure is...I guess?



When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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you should be in jail mertz for wanting to take the police power into your hands like that there
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Another idiotic law from the worst County government in the State. SS Savage did something right? Did she resign today? How about her buddy Jiffy Jeffy?

     Itching to catch a texter? WTF? How about arresting some of the huge backlog of bail jumpers and felons running loose through the County. Naah, they would rather ticket some 18 year old blonde hottie texting her girlfriends about late night plans. Major County priority? These idiots are so lost it's incredible. And the Gazetto goes right along unquestioning with this manure.
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pudy cat THANK YOU FOR STANDING OUT FOR THE RIGHT THINGS OVER HERE
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Maybe I'm not trying hard enough to get caught - I'd love to be the first ticket!

Where do they all hang out - that's where you'll find me, cruising the blvd, browsing the web and more on my blackberry.  Comon boys, I dare ya!


Tough guy hiding behind a screen name...real brave
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Tough guy hiding behind a screen name...real brave


You claim to know me - tell me where you'll be - I'll make it a point of being in your zone.
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In fact, I'll do ya one better.  WRITE me the ticket. I browse the web and txt FREQUENTLY in the car.  Let me know when I can pick it up - or better, mail it to me.  I'll see ya in court, biotch!
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Editorial: Texting while driving only part of the problem
Thursday, July 2, 2009

Schenectady County lawmakers may have had their hearts in the right place last year when they passed a law banning text-messaging while driving, but their brains appear to have been another matter.
More than four months after the law took effect, local law enforcement agencies say they’ve yet to write up a single violation. And the reason isn’t that motorists have suddenly stopped engaging in the suicidal behavior.
As a story in Wednesday’s Gazette made clear, the law is practically impossible to enforce. A cop can’t tell whether a motorist who is holding a cellphone is actually “texting”— tapping the alphanumeric keys on a cellphone to create an electronic message — pressing an automatic redial button to make a legal cellphone call, or even surfing the Internet, which, though just as dangerous as text-messaging, isn’t proscribed. Why bother writing a ticket when someone with a halfway decent lawyer is going to beat the rap, or at the very least tie up prosecutors for more time than the offense is worth, demanding phone records, etc.?
Then there’s the issue of jurisdiction. A state cop interviewed for the story indicated that because the texting ban isn’t a state law, but only a local one, they won’t enforce it. And troopers stationed in Schenectady County not only patrol a fair number of rural roads, but assist in the city as well.
The law isn’t a complete bust, because it has probably discouraged a few motorists from doing what common sense should have told them not to do. But it raises anew the whole question about the “driving while distracted” conundrum. Even before the advent of cellphones, there were countless other things a motorist could fiddle with that were likely to increase the chances of an accident. First it was the radio dial; then the eight-track or cassette player; then the CD. People take their eyes off the road to do other stupid things, too, like reading a road map, directions, even a newspaper; or they’ll apply makeup, shave, or brush their hair. All legally...............>>>>..........>>>>...........http://www.dailygazette.com/news/2009/jul/02/0702_edit1/
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More blind fanaticism. They must be listening to the GOP. How else do you explain that even THEY, who are lap dogs of the democrats, once in a while throw in with another thought. I know a lot of you prefer a one party rule, but this is exactly why we need people with other thoughts than the predominate majority regime. Some want the GOP to lash out at the others in the GOP. To excoriate and out all their energies into tearing down the few republicans that are left. But I will leave that to the government guided press, the nightly news, academia, public education and the unions and special interests. There are plenty of people and groups doing it so why should I?


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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More blind fanaticism. They must be listening to the GOP. How else do you explain that even THEY, who are lap dogs of the democrats, once in a while throw in with another thought. I know a lot of you prefer a one party rule, but this is exactly why we need people with other thoughts than the predominate majority regime. Some want the GOP to lash out at the others in the GOP. To excoriate and out all their energies into tearing down the few republicans that are left. But I will leave that to the government guided press, the nightly news, academia, public education and the unions and special interests. There are plenty of people and groups doing it so why should I?


What do you think,,,,,,,, party membership makes you immune to criticism?  That's the problem with the party.  Republicans took majority of the house of reps in 1994, and in 2000 won the White House.  In 8 short years the Republican went back on all their conservative promises and did everything that the democrats did when they were in power.  With pet projects, bridges to nowhere, and corruption.  Virtually destroying the party.

The few republicans that are left give me no reason to support them.  They are just as slimey as any democrat.  I'm sorry I can't view the world through the left and right prism that you do.  

Your rhetoric is transparent.  I am not a true believer.


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the repubs are crooks and the only way to fix all the problems is to stop letting the business and rich get the way they want all the time and it is time for once we got some regulation over here people VOTE DEMO
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the repubs are crooks and the only way to fix all the problems is to stop letting the business and rich get the way they want all the time and it is time for once we got some regulation over here people VOTE DEMO


I've tried the "demo" - wouldn't give you two cents for it.

I tried the second version - rep 2.0 ... that didn't work for me either.

So, time to vote them ALL out and go open source.
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THE DEMOS ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO CARE AND AS FAR AS THE TEXTING GOS THEN ASK STEVIE EGO WHY HE IS STOPPING THE POLICE WITH MERTZ FROM DOING THE JOBS THEY NEED TO DO BY BANNING WRITING THE TICKETS FOR TEXTS

  LET THE BOYS IN BLUE DO THAT JOB THEY NEED TO DO STEVIE NOW
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THE DEMOS ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO CARE AND AS FAR AS THE TEXTING GOS THEN ASK STEVIE EGO WHY HE IS STOPPING THE POLICE WITH MERTZ FROM DOING THE JOBS THEY NEED TO DO BY BANNING WRITING THE TICKETS FOR TEXTS

  LET THE BOYS IN BLUE DO THAT JOB THEY NEED TO DO STEVIE NOW


I dont want them to care......I want them to do their damn job and stand with dignity....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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You claim to know me - tell me where you'll be - I'll make it a point of being in your zone.


First of all when did i ever claim i knew you!!Second of all i dont have a zone.....also you talk alot of crap behind your little sign on name
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In fact, I'll do ya one better.  WRITE me the ticket. I browse the web and txt FREQUENTLY in the car.  Let me know when I can pick it up - or better, mail it to me.  I'll see ya in court, biotch!


Name calling..you are a real prize.I could give 2 shits if you text in the car.Take your name  calling and stick it up your a**.
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SCHENECTADY
First texting ticket issued

BY JUSTIN MASON Gazette Reporter

    Eddie Cintron unwittingly made Schenectady County history Thursday afternoon.
    The 31-year-old Brandywine Avenue man was navigating his vehicle though the city when he became the first motorist to run up against the county’s ban on texting while driving. Lt. Jason Temple was on duty heading toward the Schenectady County Sheriff’s Department in a marked cruiser when he noticed Cintron driving with a mobile device in his hands near the intersection of Nott Street and Van Vranken Avenue, he said.
    “The guy had his cellphone in front of his face and he was just clicking away,” he said. “He didn’t have a hands-free device or anything.”
    Having made the direct observation, Temple flagged Cintron and became the first law enforcement officer to issue a “0608 local law” citation, returnable to city court at a later date. The ticket carries no points but a hefty $150 fine.
    Just two days before the traffic stop, Temple was among a group of patrolmen that expressed dismay that a motorist hadn’t yet been caught. He suggested that the lack of tickets might be resulting from motorists being keenly aware of marked police cruisers and dropping their phones in midtext before getting busted.
    Temple said that Cintron didn’t admit to the violation. But he said the driver’s actions were plainly visible as he was making his turn.
    “I guess it’s just luck of the draw,” he said.
    Cintron could not be reached for comment.
    County Attorney Chris Gardner said the first ticket is an indication that law enforcement officers are starting to watch for the infractions a bit closer. He admitted that keeping an eye out for a texting driver is a bit more difficult than a motorist talking on a cellphone.
    “You’ve got to get the police used to looking for it,” he said. “It’s a little more difficult than the police looking out for people using a cellphones.”
    And the citation in the city may not be the only one. Gardner said a witness to a motor vehicle accident that occurred over the Fourth of July weekend indicated that the driver may have been texting at the time.
    “We’re hoping this will begin to reduce that particular problem,” he said.
    Gardner doesn’t anticipate the county seeing a flood of texting while driving citations but does foresee a steady stream. He frequently sees motorists who appear to be texting behind the wheel. ...............>>>>.........>>>>>........http://www.dailygazette.net/De.....3&Continuation=1
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This wasn't set up or anything...was it?????

It's ALMOST  believable...ALMOST!


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In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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A little recap of this entire thing...

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Beginning March 1, Schenectady will become the latest county in the state to ban texting while driving.

February 5, 2009, 8:39am
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SCHENECTADY — Law enforcement agencies will be cracking down this month and in March on drivers using cellphones while driving in Schenectady County, according to the Schenectady County Traffic Safety Board.


On to 4 months later...

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July 1, 2009, 8:28am
Schenectady County police are itching to give tickets to texters
Wednesday, July 1, 2009

SCHENECTADY COUNTY — Lt. Jason Temple of the Schenectady County Sheriff’s Department is eager to write a ticket for the next driver he sees tapping out a text message on a cellphone.
Law enforcement officials roundly agree that the practice is dangerous. Yet after more than four months on the books, the county’s law enforcement agencies have yet to nab a single motorist for violating the county’s ban on texting while driving.
“I always dream about giving one,” said Temple , who also heads the county’s Traffic Safety Board. “But nobody in the county has given one yet.”  Just two days before the traffic stop, Temple was among a group of patrolmen that expressed dismay that a motorist hadn’t yet been caught.


Thursday, July 2, 2009
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Lt. Jason Temple was on duty heading toward the Schenectady County Sheriff’s Department in a marked cruiser when he noticed Cintron driving with a mobile device in his hands near the intersection of Nott Street and Van Vranken Avenue, he said.


Looks like one person was the mouthpiece for this, wanted to give tickets for it, and finally got to show how much of an issue this is.  I wonder if we'll hear reports of any more of these offendors.  Will this be reported like this for each major bust?


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“We’re hoping this will begin to reduce that particular problem,” [County Attorney Chris Gardner] said.

This MUST be a big issue...over 4 months and no tickets to speak of...then they got one.  Of course, the reason that they hadn't caught anybody yet?  That's right, it's your fault...(and guess who’s explaining it again)
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Just two days before the traffic stop, Temple was among a group of patrolmen that expressed dismay that a motorist hadn’t yet been caught. He suggested that the lack of tickets might be resulting from motorists being keenly aware of marked police cruisers and dropping their phones in midtext before getting busted.



No issues for 4 months, then a puff piece is done (sorry, Justin, but I don't really see a reason for the July 1 story, except for the fact that since the day that the law was announced, there was no news on it).  Then, the crack down begins.  Don’t look at that phone, it may just be a text message from Big Brother.


...and no, Sal, I don't hate the cops or wish that something would happen to them, like I know you want to reply...I just think that there's more important things they could be doing than driving around looking for someone playing with their phones.  I think asking the police to do something like this when there are much bigger issues is ludicrous.


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Dont worry.....once the next generations brains are rewired(and they will be)google/microsoft/government owned motor companies
will have an answer......"smart cars"?

look out to the horizon, the present is almost antiquated now......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

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Damn, I even BEGGED to be the first. What a shame.

Figured my buddy Gage would tell his patrol buddies about me and have them looking out for me. Heck, I drove right by them several times, nothing.
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Was really hoping one of the Gazetto "writers" would be the first shaken down.

      Feel so much safer now that SS Savage has stopped this major crime problem of 20 year old girls texting? Yes-Schenectady County is a great place to live under her "leadership".
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A Staten Island teenager fell into a manhole while texting
BY CHRISTINA BOYLE
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Saturday, July 11th 2009, 4:00 AM

Driving while texting is illegal, but walking and texting is still legal.

A Staten Island teen trying to text while walking fell into an open manhole - and city officials have launched an investigation.
Alexa Longueira, 15, was walking with a friend along Victory Blvd. on Wednesday when she suddenly dropped underground.
"She's all scraped up on her back, under her arms and her shoulders," her mother, Kim Longueira, said.
The schoolgirl had just been passed the phone by her friend and was opening it to send a text message when the ground beneath her feet disappeared.
The manhole had been opened by a Department of Environmental Protection team flushing a high-pressure sewer line, officials said.
DEP has said an investigation is underway.
"We regret that this happened and wish the young woman a speedy recovery," spokeswoman Mercedes Padilla said.


http://www.nydailynews.com/new.....#ixzz0Ky7Mb7Qq&C

Looks like Susan Savage has a new crusade.


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Riding a bike and texting and talking on a cell phone is still legal too! Guess we have to wait until someone gets hurt doing it before suzie jumps on that band wagon!


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In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


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Damn, I even BEGGED to be the first. What a shame.

Figured my buddy Gage would tell his patrol buddies about me and have them looking out for me. Heck, I drove right by them several times, nothing.


Well first of all we are not buddies.....i dont associate with big mouths like yourself.Keep hiding
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You know, Brian- he is just trying to push your buttons and you are letting him! He is chuckling all the way home thinking about how riled up he has you when he doesn't mean any of it. He is scorching you because you let him!!! LOL! Talk about a harmless fuzzball of a poster!!!!  


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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Fuzzball? LMAO
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You know, Brian- he is just trying to push your buttons and you are letting him! He is chuckling all the way home thinking about how riled up he has you when he doesn't mean any of it. He is scorching you because you let him!!! LOL! Talk about a harmless fuzzball of a poster!!!!  


I know GB ....I do not take him serious
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I know GB ....I do not take him serious


Hawkins made that mistake once. So did your former boss.
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Hawkins made that mistake once. So did your former boss.


What former boss......you dont have the balls to say your real name.
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Oh brother. Everyone calm down, this is getting ugly and no one likes that.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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oh, brother.....find a hydrant, make your mark.......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Well folks when you have someone talking alot of crap under there screen name...it will get nasty
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Texting while driving worthy of county’s law

    I was struck by the dismissive nature of your July 2 editorial, “Texting while driving only part of problem.”
    Anyone who drives regularly can tell you they have at some time or other seen someone drive erratically due to texting while driving. The number of crashes and deaths directly and indirectly linked to texting while driving has necessitated action.
    As a parent of one teenaged driver (who, by the way is a very responsible driver) and two others waiting in the wings, I know how texts are continuously sent and received.
    I am happy that there is one little thing — fear of a ticket — to hopefully keep my sons and other drivers that much safer on the road.
    It is often hard to detect people who do not wear seat belts, children who are not properly in car seats, speeders, or even drunk drivers.
    We certainly cannot have cops on every corner at every moment catching every infraction. That said, they are dangerous behaviors that put lives at risk, and laws have been an important part of cutting each of these practices. The same goes for texting while driving.
    The clear logic of this led to nearunanimous support in the over-15 counties that have passed this ban. Editorials from across the state, including the Watertown Daily Times, Post-Standard and Buffalo News, among others, have agreed that the ban is a logical step to saving lives, not just an emotional flair as the recent Gazette editorial implied.
    In fact, [last] Sept. 15, even the Gazette stated that the text messagingwhile-driving ban was a “textbook care of a law that shouldn’t be necessary, but is.”

    THOMAS L. BELLICK
    Schenectady     



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I heard on the radio the other day that the police can only pull a vehicle over if there is another infraction like speeding and if the officer sees a hand held electronic device in the drivers reach then he can write a ticket for DWT.
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I heard on the radio the other day that the police can only pull a vehicle over if there is another infraction like speeding and if the officer sees a hand held electronic device in the drivers reach then he can write a ticket for DWT.


Oh I'd LOVE for them to try that one ... "within reach" ... PLEASE ... ticket me.  Comon, I double dog dare ya!
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...suck suck suck...Now that his wife no longer is part of the school board cabal, he has time to write suckup letters more often I guess, when not bailing his responsible son out for armed robbery.



"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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...suck suck suck...Now that his wife no longer is part of the school board cabal, he has time to write suckup letters more often I guess, when not bailing his responsible son out for armed robbery.



i got the school board part but story on the rest ... please

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Read all about it in the police blotter. Forcibly taking money from a person. Very responsible, that son anyway.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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Oh I'd LOVE for them to try that one ... "within reach" ... PLEASE ... ticket me.  Comon, I double dog dare ya!


I cant not believe that you are a adult  talking like this....you sound so stupid. On second thought i would have a  screen name too.
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Texting shouldn’t be only concern

    Of course everyone, by now, has heard that text messaging while driving a car is dangerous and dumb.
    But just how dangerous and dumb is it? According to a major new study of long-haul truck drivers whose cabs were outfitted with video cameras and observed for 18 months, texting increases the risk of having a collision by a factor of 23. That’s 2,300 percent! By comparison, the odds of having a collision while driving drunk are only four times greater.
    Not surprisingly, one day after the report was released — and made the subject of a frontpage story in The New York Times — legislation was introduced by New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, among others, that would withhold federal highway aid from any state that doesn’t outlaw texting while driving within two years. (This is the method the feds used 25 years ago to force states to raise their drinking ages.)
    As we’ve noted in the past, laws that ban this dangerous, dumb practice are well-meaning and can’t do much harm, but they can’t do much good, either, because they’re hard to enforce. As a local cop recently lamented about Schenectady County’s new law, it’s difficult to tell, unless he’s inside the car or standing just outside it, whether a motorist is texting, hitting the redial button to make a phone call or surfing the Web. And since the latter two activities aren’t expressly forbidden, good luck trying to make charges of texting while driving stick in court. (Consequently, the cops haven’t been bothering.)
    Indeed, the Times reported yesterday that the Governors Highway Safety Association, which is against texting while driving, opposes the idea of a law for exactly this reason: unenforceability.
    What would, in effect, be a national textingwhile-driving ban would probably capture the public’s attention on this issue better than the county-by-county, or even state-by-state, approach. So it might reduce instances of it, as well as some accidents.
    But only when lawmakers address all the hazards associated with driving while distracted — whether it’s texting, reading the paper, brushing one’s hair — and convince cops that such behavior behind the wheel is worth stopping, is there much chance of making roads truly safer.     


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I cant not believe that you are a adult  talking like this....you sound so stupid. On second thought i would have a  screen name too.


Unfortunately, I never saw your reply mr gage ... you think I sound stupid, I think this law is stupid, unenforceable and a waste of paper to print it on.   Ask your buddies how that first ticket is going .. judge drop it yet?

Within reach, indeed.
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People are getting shot in the streets and yet we (our leaders) are concerned with an unenforceable law! Ridiculous! IMHO


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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People are getting shot in the streets and yet we (our leaders) are concerned with an unenforceable law! Ridiculous! IMHO


Thank God will still have the SPD to stop dangerous criminals running loose on our streets. The fact that Tom Bellick is for this speaks volumes. He learned nothing from his wife's humilating defeat? Enforce existing laws before enacting more nanny nonsense.
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Every person who has a cell phone should watch this!!! Every person who has kids of driving age should show this to them.
Intense!!!!!

I was driving on 890 the other day and the girl in the car next to me was texting!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


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