I dont need a real id----I'm not cattle.....anyone else here feel like a side of government beef---oohhh,,I cant wait to get lifted and dragged around by a fork lift to my final resting place when I am no longer useful........

Maybe most Americans are born with a genetic indignation gene- so we expect everyone else to produce a secure ID to prove who you are except the  indigenous- but wait you will have to prove your indiginous-

I guess Im confused

I DO NOT want to have to pay for other's sins. I am an honest citizen. No past offenses. Never took drugs. I am in this country legally. (I was born here). I have a valid drivers license and pay my bills on time. SO DON'T TREAT ME LIKE A CRIMINAL OR AN ILLEGAL ALIEN.

There are many that have died in past wars so we could be free. Well don't take our personal freedoms away because of some lunatics.

What exactly is a secure ID???? no ID can make us secure...we expect 'illegal aliens' to carry a card to prove they are not privy to things like SS, healthcare,banking etc.....well, like I said before.....if one person needs to provide an ID to prove they are 'legal' then so does everyone else......WE have dug this stupid hole......kind of like in Cool Hand Luke when he is made to dig a hole and the warden wants to know why he moved the wardens dirt and to put it back.......

'Illegal aliens' are not ripping us off.....the only thing a RealID can provide is that fact that money/credits/worth/chickens(or whatever we want to call it) goes right back up to the top of the pyramid to get redistributed as the top sees fit.......where is the straw for the bricks??????--oh, that's right Bear Sterns......or is it JP Morgan now??? subsidizing farmers, unions,lawyers etc.......

[quote=10]What exactly is a secure ID???? no ID can make us secure... quote]

I can see that most of you dont travel much- there already an ID that TSA feels makes you more secure while boarding an airplane- good at many airports and cost $ 128 per year The CLEAR ID.- go to the front of security line-

I just consider the real id a sort of passport-

you feel safe even with those with the 'fake' realID's......

Im just not all that paranoid about giving or not giving up my personal information.  I recently had to get a gaming badge to do some work in a casino- the lowest level- 3.

They check criminal back to the begining of time and taxes back to 1994 - yes farther back than IRS-  Level 1 clearence requires  the SS # of your MOTHER AND FATHER also-

I would hardly call the Clear id fake- On the otherhand ANY illegal can get the plastic WITH THE HOLOGRAM for either a drivers license or resident alien card- You can use these to board any plane-

This is the reason for the real id

they already know all about us.....those of us that use the 'systems'.....that's why we vote.....

[quote=10]And the public cant figure out where the taxes go....Are we close to Russian life???  
lie: $$ is the main motivation for the changes and the perception of safety(very easy to accomplish tracking taxes,pay,MD visits etc)

Most people  will spend more money converting to a digital TV signal than the cost of the  the Real ID
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point----sheeple.......