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ROTTERDAM Board OKs budget plan 4 councilmen given a raise BY JUSTIN MASON Gazette Reporter
Town Board members approved the 2008 preliminary budget Wednesday and in the process gave themselves a raise. The four town councilmen will each receive an additional $5,000 under the new budget. The raise is a 50 percent increase from the $10,000 board members have been paid annually and is their first pay increase in more than 15 years. To compensate for the increased salaries, board members also supported a budget amendment shifting an additional $20,000 they anticipate collecting through fines, fees and forfeited bail. Overall, the budget amounts to the same $19.9 million in the tentative version and doesn’t alter the projected residential tax rate of $3.36 per $1,000 of assessed property value. Owners of commercial properties will pay $5.59 per $1,000 under the dual tax rate. Residents owning a home valued at $200,000 can expect to pay roughly $671 in town taxes, based on general and highway fund spending. “None of this has impacted the present budget,” board member Joe Signore said of the raises. “None of this has impacted the tax rate in the 2008 budget.” The budget calls for a total tax levy of $9.46 million, down $205,962 from the current budget. Board member Diane Marco voted in favor of the amendment, acknowledging that the raises wouldn’t go into effect until after she leaves office Dec. 31. She said the increase is necessary to help attract a broader pool of candidates for the board, “We have not had an increase since 1991,” she said. John Mertz also voted in favor. Board member Robert Godlewski and Supervisor Steve Tommasone both voted against the amendment. The pay raises for the board will not affect the supervisor’s position, which will pay the same $16,000 salary as this year. The preliminary budget also includes a $5,000 raise for the assessor’s position, which was already slated to receive a $2,225 increase over this year’s salary. Assessor John Macejka Jr. now draws a salary of $57,750 for the six-year appointed position. The increase was noted in a range of salaries when the town recently advertised for the assessor’s position, which is up for reappointment. All four councilmen approved the assessor’s salary increase, with Tommasone the only dissenting vote. Tommasone argued the increase would lock the town into paying the raise instead of negotiating with the appointee. “I don’t agree with this at this time,” he said. “This is not an increase for the individual, it’s an increase for the position.” Board members also took away modest raises for the elected positions of highway superintendent, town clerk, receiver of taxes and town justice. Both Godlewski and Tommasone voted against the amendment.
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More irony. I wonder how much of a raise would be deserved if things were getting done? I oppose the pay raises. |
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The preliminary budget also includes a $5,000 raise for the assessor’s position, which was already slated to receive a $2,225 increase over this year’s salary. Assessor John Macejka Jr. now draws a salary of $57,750 for the six-year appointed position.
This is the raise I would clearly question, cause I really don't know what the hell this guy actually does! I realize that the raise goes to the 'position'....but I wouldn't have done anything until a new person was appointed. |
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Bumble, at the meeting it was stated that the town is taking applications for a new assessor and the raise is not necessarily going to our present assessor. |
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Now THIS is an assessor! Niskayuna Town Assessor Amy Houlihan is earning her keep. She actually works with the residents. I hope they 'appoint' an assessor who actually works like Niskayuna's does!
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Niskayuna gets assessment data Property owners can review information to be used for revaluation By PAUL NELSON, Staff writer First published: Wednesday, November 14, 2007
NISKAYUNA -- Data collection is done with and residential property owners can now review information about their homes that the town will use to come up with new values. The one-page form, which went out by mail about two weeks ago, included the square footage, style, and number of rooms in the house, according to Town Assessor Amy Houlihan. The document condenses data from a survey residents filled out with the results of an exterior inspection.
The assessment has so far been relatively smooth, Houlihan said.
There has, however, been some confusion regarding what constitutes a finished basement on raised ranch and split level homes.
The assessor said homeowners should make any changes to the paperwork if they see anything they consider inaccurate before sending it back.
The deadline to turn the paperwork was Tuesday.
And residents can also call up Houlihan to schedule an interior inspection or if they want their property measured.
As of last week, she had already done just under two dozen, mostly related to the condition of the house, Houlihan added.
Upon getting back all the information back, Houlihan and her staff working with a consultant hired by the town, will then input any changes into a computer system and reinspect properties, if necessary.
From there, the town and firm will take a look real estate sales in the town within the past two years "to make sure they are viable sales."
Then by the middle of December, they will begin running preliminary fair market values through a computer system based on comparable home sales. Houlihan and the workers with the firm will visit every neighborhood in town to verify the computer generated data.
"The computer can only do so much, so we will physically go out to the right of way to verify that similar houses are assessed at about the same," Houlihan added.
A workshop will be held before disclosure notices are mailed out on March 1.
The disclosure statement will contain the fractional value of the current assessment and the preliminary new full value as well as the final net change.
Informal hearings for any homeowners who want to contest their new assessment will be done by appointment and the town has plans to open a resource center for anyone with questions.
The new assessments will be available by street, neighborhood and type of homes, Houlihan said. Residents can also mail in complaints.
A tentative town assessment roll will go out May 1 with the final town assessment roll to follow two months later, Houlihan said. Between that time, there will be a grievance period before the town Board of Assessment Review.
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I sure hope you're right Bumble, we don't need another assessor like the one we have that does nothing and gets paid big bucks to do it. |
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Here's one more distinction. The assessor position is full-time. Board members are part-time. One is more of a livelihood you could say. My view is if you're inclined to be a board member it's more about serving than being compensated. I fully recognize they commit tremendous amounts of time and effort so I'm not saying they don't work hard. They're just in the wrong line if they want to get paid for it. |
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And here's the another thing about this. I assume there is a major difference in responsibilities as far as the difference between the Town Board Members and the Supervisor. I would assume that Steve Tommasone does much more than the rest of the board does. Before this raise, he was getting paid 60% more than the rest of the board, which, if he's doing the extra work, would be expected.
Now, how is someone to think that they should be doing so much more work for just $1,000 per year, a 6 2/3 % rate above what just any other member of the board does? I think that, yes, it will help to get more people interested in the board seats, but it will also push interest away from the Supervisor position, unless something is done for that position.
Let's hope the new board members (as well as the incumbents and those awaiting their next chance for reelection) actually earn this money. |
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Board to see pay hike
Posted on: 11/21/07 Jennifer Farnsworth, Contributing Writer email: news@spotlightnews.com
Rotterdam town board members will see a 50 percent pay increase next year, after the board approved, 3-to-2, the change in salary. At the Wednesday, Nov. 14, meeting, they also approved the preliminary 2008 budget, which will not change because of the pay increase.
“I am voting for the pay increase because there has been none since 1991. Keep that in mind,” said town council member Diane Marco.
Marco said that although she will not run for re-election, she still believes the increase is merited.
“It’s necessary to have the increase to allow for a broader pool of candidates for positions on the board,” said Marco.
Board members Robert Godlewski and town Supervisor Steven Tommasone voted against the increase.
Board members Joe Signore and Jon Mertz said they felt it was time for the increase. Signore told the board that the increase will not cost the taxpayers any more than the anticipated tax rate of $3.36 per $1,000 of assessed property value. The budget is currently at $19.9 million.
“Right now, our budget will reflect a tax increase levy of $9.46 million. This is actually a decrease from last year of over $200,000,” said Signore.
The pay increase, which will total $20,000, will come from variety of sources, including fees, fines and forfeited bail money.
Town assessor John Macejka Jr., will also receive an increase of $5,000, bringing his salary up to $62,750. Several other staffing changes include establishing the position of economic development coordinator for the town. Tommasone said funds have already been allocated for this position.
Godlewski questioned whether there was a need to establish a salary amount without first hiring a person for the job.
Tommasone said, for budget purposes, the board is more comfortable with allocating anticipated amounts.
“We have accounted for the salary for this job. We now have about a dozen qualified candidates and are in the process of narrowing it down,” said Tommasone.
Several residents from the Westhill area of Rotterdam also spoke out during the public hearing portion of the meeting about the preservation of what is referred to as the “green belt” of this wooded area around Rotterdam Square Mall. William Ross, of Juniper Drive, said that protecting the land from any further development is what he feels the majority of his neighbors desire.
“One of the greatest draws is the green belt and open space in this area; it is what made me purchase my home. Rumors over septic and water concerns are simply not valid. There is no evidence of failed septics, and the water is great. This area needs to be kept as is,” said Ross.
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I have mixed feelings on this whole issue. I say 'no raise' yet in the scope of things, all town positions have a salary range, so why should Rotterdam be any different....right? What I totally disagree with is the people appointed to these frivilous committees that get paid a few hundred bucks here and a few hundred bucks there. Most of these committees are absolute nonsense anyways. |
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You can only get a raise if you are a puppet...... |
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I believe this is the issue that will be subject to a Permissive Referendum. Don't let this get by you. It may be similar to the law we pushed for referendum in the City of Schenectady.
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ROTTERDAM Board must pass local law before approving raises, attorney advises BY JUSTIN MASON Gazette Reporter
Town Board members will need to adopt a local law next year before they can legally approve the raises for themselves that they included as an amendment in the budget last month, Rotterdam’s town attorney advised Monday. Because the initial 2008 budget didn’t include the raises, the only way to grant them later was to pass a local law, Town Attorney Gerard Parisi said. The local law is subject to a permissive referendum, meaning it could be challenged by a petition containing signatures from 10 percent of the number of residents who voted in the last statewide election, 2006. Town officials voted 3-2 last month to amend the budget to give each board position a $5,000 per year raise. Both Supervisor Steven Tommasone and Councilman Robert Godlewski voted against them. The increase is a 50 percent hike from the $10,000 board members have been paid annually and was their first pay increase in more than 15 years. Both Godlewski and board member Diane Marco — who favored the raises — will leave office in January. Newcomers Michael Della Villa and John Silva will join incumbents John Mertz and Joseph Signore as board members receiving the hike in salary. The pay raises did not affect the supervisor’s position, which will pay the same $16,000 salary as this year. Board members also took away modest raises from the elected positions of highway superintendent, town clerk, receiver of taxes and town justice; the raises had been budgeted but were cut back to their original levels in the adopted budget. Godlewski took issue with the raises during the board’s last meeting in November. He said the laws of New York governing towns prohibited the board from changing salary figures for each board seat, the town clerk and highway superintendent. “Because the salaries are fixed in the public hearing for the preliminary budget, that says you can’t make an adjustment,” he said Monday. But Marco disagreed. In previous years, she said, the board adjusted salaries using the same process. “They’ve never done it [by local law] through the eight years I’ve been here,” she said. “Every year, it’s been done by amendment.” The board is expected Wednesday to discuss a local law allowing the raises and to schedule a public hearing for it on New Year’s Day. Parisi said a law could be passed at the close of the public hearing, but would have to wait 45 days to take effect. If the local law is not passed or is overturned by a referendum, the $20,000 worth of raises would remain unspent in the budget. Board members provided for the raises by approving a budget amendment adding additional money they anticipate collecting through fines, fees and forfeited bail.
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I believe this is the issue that will be subject to a Permissive Referendum. Don't let this get by you. It may be similar to the law we pushed for referendum in the City of Schenectady.
There's an article in today's paper.
Pat, I thought the same thing, but I knew it would be an involved process that I didn't have spare time to contribute to. Not at this time anyways. But I do commend Mr Parisi for bringing it to light. He seems to be a little bit more on the ball than the Schenectady attorneys, huh?  |
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“Because the salaries are fixed in the public hearing for the preliminary budget, that says you can’t make an adjustment,” he said Monday. But Marco disagreed. In previous years, she said, the board adjusted salaries using the same process. “They’ve never done it [by local law] through the eight years I’ve been here,” she said. “Every year, it’s been done by amendment.”
It doesn't matter how it gets done, that is just a smoke screen.....THEY ALL EAT AT THE SAME TROUGH......it's a ride and very very very few find it duty....and if it is duty it is only for their own backyard/neighborhood(proven in the past) not the town as a whole, obviously...... |
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“Because the salaries are fixed in the public hearing for the preliminary budget, that says you can’t make an adjustment,” he said Monday. But Marco disagreed. In previous years, she said, the board adjusted salaries using the same process. “They’ve never done it [by local law] through the eight years I’ve been here,” she said. “Every year, it’s been done by amendment.”
Well....Ms.Marco, I guess the past 8 years have been done illegally, huh? I guess Mr.Godlewski was correcto-o! I can't believe I said that!  |
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The Town Board meeting agenda for tonight has virtually nothing on it...except a resolution to hold a public hearing on Tuesday, New Year's Day for the pay raise.
Public hearing on New Year's Day. That is plain unbelievable.
Here's what I'd like to see happen. The 2 new town board members ran (and won) based on the old salary. They should be opposed, in theory, to the pay raise. If so, it meets defeat. I want to see them have to take another vote so these new guys have to go on record or they get to have it both ways (get the raise, but get to blame the last guy for implementing it).
Gathering enough signatures on a petition deemed valid in the time allowed seems virtually impossible...we collected petition signatures to regain our right to vote on a new sewer district recently after the town board got a little cute and tried to end-around...we prevailed but it got dicey...
Why can't these guys just do it correctly? Just goes to prove they can find money when they want to and they can move at lightning pace when it serves their own interest. Is anyone else disgusted?
Looks to me that Mr. Mertz and Mr. Signore (two guys who voted for a pay raise when the rest of us are forced to tighten our belts) just got even more vunerable next election... |
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Michael you've seen this type of behavior from elected officials going on for a long time, just look at how long they've put off doing anything about the water problems in the town. |
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We should be opposed to a local law allowing our elected official to vote themselves in a raise whenever they choose. Getting signatures for a referendum would be key. Since that may not be an option due to a time constraint, I would recommend EVERYONE to call, mail or email ALL of the town board members and state your displeasure with this proposed local law.
We should not want NOW or in the future, our elected officials to have the power to vote themselves in a raise whenever they deem it necessary!!
Don't let this one get by people!! And you have a valid point Michael. It appears to the residents, that once the republicans remained in control of the board, they are appearing greedy by proposing a law that gives them the power to give themselves a raise. They need to be careful since the republican party is loosing ground in this area and state as it is.
And to have a meeting on New Years day is ridiculous. This is beginning to sound like the city council and the county legislatures! |
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Boxing gloves come in all sizes....are they NUTS OR JUST IGNORANT GREEDY POLITICIANS?????? hhhmmmm they have never eaten pasta dinner at my house....where is MY cup of sugar???? Or anyone else's cup of sugar for that matter....... money is the only thing that spurs a politician out of their hole of pressure by the constituents????......get out of the kitchen then....... |
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And to have a meeting on New Years day is ridiculous. This is beginning to sound like the city council and the county legislatures!
Joann, Just so you know, if you check back, this is something normal for the Rotterdam Town Board. While I agree that the time it's at is amazing, right in the middle of the day, it's also used to reappoint people to positions that they haven't given up or are being kept in. Last year's meeting also included the swearing in of Bob "No Change" Godlewski. Here's a direct link to 2007's January 1 agenda. http://rotterdamny.org/calendar1/calendar/eventimages/Board-1-1-07.pdf |
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The Town Board meeting agenda for tonight has virtually nothing on it...except a resolution to hold a public hearing on Tuesday, New Year's Day for the pay raise.
Public hearing on New Year's Day. That is plain unbelievable.
The timing for a public hearing regarding a pay raise surely can wait until another day besides New Years Day. |
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Organizational meetings are nothing new for New Year's Day, as BIGK75 correctly points out.
The problem is conducting controversial business or holding a public hearing during that meeting. It defies reasonable governance, in my opinion. In fact, it's simply the wrong day to hold a public hearing of any kind.
I may have to violate my intention to no longer speak at these meetings, assuming they actually passed that resolution last night...what better way to ring in the New Year than to make a little noise?
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The problem is conducting controversial business or holding a public hearing during that meeting. It defies reasonable governance, in my opinion. In fact, it's simply the wrong day to hold a public hearing of any kind.
I have to agree with you on this Michael. Historically or not, I feel it is the wrong day to hold a public hearing. |
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I posted an entry to my blog on this topic. I will be curious to see how it ultimately plays out. |
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If the Town Board had any sense they would reschedule the meeting for a later date to give residents a chance to attend the meeting if they oppose the raise. Having the meeting on New Years Day looks like they don't want any opposition to the raise and know that most people will be home with their families and won't attend the meeting. What happened to the open government that the Town Board told us about when they were elected? |
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EDITORIALS Justice due over raises in Rotterdam
Rotterdam Town Board members haven’t had a raise in more than 15 years, so it was not surprising that they voted for an increase last month. What was surprising, and disappointing, was the amount of the raise ($5,000, or 50 percent) and the way they approved it (as an amendment to the town budget). Both issues may now be moot, thanks to an opinion by Town Attorney Gerard Parisi that the raises require passage of a local law. What that means, as Schenectady Mayor Brian Stratton knows full well, is that the law is subject to permissive referendum: A petition with the signatures of 10 percent of the town residents who voted in the last statewide election (2006) could put the kibosh on the whole thing. That’s what happened in Schenectady two years ago, when Stratton and city council members conspired to raise their salaries weeks after the November election, and weeks after the 2006 budget had been passed, by adopting a pair of local laws. The laws were challenged by local gadfly Pat Zollinger, who mounted a petition drive and ultimately forced the mayor and council to postpone their raises for two years. In Rotterdam, the council members’ raises were not part of the initial budget proposal and thus were not subjected to a public hearing. They surfaced out of the blue, and were passed as part of an amended budget one week after last month’s election. To offset the additional $20,000 expenditure (the four regular council members got them, but not Supervisor Steve Tommasone), the board simply increased revenue projections on fines and forfeited bail — easy enough to do, but hardly responsible. Obviously, the money isn’t a huge issue; as was the case with Stratton and the Schenectady council, it’s the way the raises were passed. In case elected officials haven’t figured it out, voters don’t like it when their representatives act in such sneaky ways. It will be surprising indeed if some indignant Rotterdam resident doesn’t mount a petition drive to overturn these raises.
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You think they would have learned something from Stratton's attempt to do the same thing! If they were up front and honest, it wouldnt be a blip on the radar. They gave themselves a 50% raise and purposely never included it in the proposed budget. To add insult to injury, they say they will get the money from fines the judges take in and they take raises away from the judges. I doubt anyone in town will spend the time and energy like Pat did. I am just disappointed at the amount of sneakiness of members of the board. Obviously Steve Tommasone didnt want the raise at all and definitely did not want it to be a campaign issue- so they planned it days after election day. Very disappointing to me. |
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First - Someone needs to go to the town hall and request a copy of the proposed local law. Second - Raises need to be implemented BEFORE the election cycle. Third - Raises need to be implemented DURING the budget process. Forth - IF this law is passed, the residents have 45 days to present a petition. (a permissive referendum) **If this proposed law is passed and the people choose to go the permissive referendum route, they should start the petition process now.** (someone experienced in this process shared this information with me)  |
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That sounds like good info JoAnn. I'm poised to fight but hope opposition to passing the law will prevent the need for the petition. Looking at the election results, I'm not entirely sure what number to use as the benchmark for procuring 10% though. Anyway you slice it, it's a ton of signatures in a short period of time. |
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Well, Michael, we'll just have to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps and get it done, right? Maybe have days where people go out walking, getting petitions signed. Set up at the mall or some of the grocery stores.
Probably also be good to have someone canvas the outlying areas, too. |
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Michael |
| December 15, 2007, 6:48pm |
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All good ideas BIGK. I've got an idea too but don't want to reveal it in this forum lest somehow it be thwarted. (I've always been a little wary and paranoid about revealing too much strategy in public beforehand. It just makes it harder if they know how you're coming after them. I like surprises.) |
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| December 15, 2007, 10:47pm |
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Just call the board of elections and they will give you the number of voters who voted in the last election. |
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JoAnn |
| December 15, 2007, 11:28pm |
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It will be surprising indeed if some indignant Rotterdam resident doesn’t mount a petition drive to overturn these raises.
This is the open door!! It isn't the WHY they are proposing a raise it is the HOW. I also know that we are all busy with our normal everyday lives, not to mention that it is the week before Christmas. But if anyone is really serious about this petition, this week is key. There is no need to go door to door. Although it may be a benefit. Just park yourself out in front of the mall entrances, Wal-Mart, Rite Aid or any other lucrative business at this time of the year. And then there is always the media attention this will create. The petitions must be done correctly or they will be null and void. If anyone is interested, I believe that I can obtain the correct petitions that would be used to collect signatures. However, I can't help in collecting signatures, but you can bet that I would if I could. I have my mom home now on a wound vac 24/7 and can't leave the house. But I will help in any way I can. |
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Shadow |
| December 16, 2007, 11:07am |
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JoAnn if it's done the way you suggest right now there will be enough signatures on the petition in a few days. I have always believed that it was wrong for a legislature to vote themselves a raise when someone else had to pay for it. Wouldn't it be nice to go to work tomorrow morning and have all the employees of the company you work for vote themselves a raise and let it become the companies problem of how to pay for it. |
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JoAnn |
| December 17, 2007, 12:42am |
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Well, Michael, we'll just have to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps and get it done, right? Maybe have days where people go out walking, getting petitions signed. Set up at the mall or some of the grocery stores.
Probably also be good to have someone canvas the outlying areas, too.
I believe it is 10% of the Rotterdam votes in the last election only. |
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