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Can Muslims co-exist with rest of the world

   Following the Civil War, citizens of South Carolina were required to swear allegiance to restore citizenship. Also, not long ago, the Communist Party, a humanistic form of religion and international politics, was outlawed in America; there are parallels between communism and the stated intentions of worldwide Islam.
   Western Europe has no experience with immigration, and for years has had open borders to Muslim emigrants with a birth rate of 3.4 per female, compared to a European rate of about 1.4 per female. The U.S. rate is about 2.1. According to columnist Mark Steyn, “A people that won’t multiply can’t go forth or go anywhere. Those who do, will shape the age we live in.” The West is being consumed by a culture that will not, and perhaps cannot, be assimilated. The Koran may not permit integration. American has had horrific experience with black segregation; but Islamic segregation is self-imposed.
   Islam requires a marriage of “church and state.” Believers adhere to every aspect of life and death through the Koran and Hadith, from which Sharia law is derived. Sharia law is the constitution of Islam. The U.S. Constitution is the basis for American law, and American life and liberty. No one would disagree that “no man can serve two masters”; obviously, there is a conflict between Sharia law and American, Dutch, English or any Western law concept. Muslims tend to be devout, at least compared to Christians. There are about 6 billion souls on the earth, of which 1.2 billion are Muslim. Considering Muslim demographics, the conflict between East and West is coming to a head — perhaps at Armageddon.
   Is Islam inherently a threat to Western security, and is it possible for the subject to be debated, or is it too politically incorrect? Can Islam be reformed to become a religion of peace, as some interpret the Koran, and still be Islam, as described by the Koran? Does Islam require a Muslim to embrace Sharia law? Are American-Muslims loyal citizens considering Sharia law? Does America have the will to survive under the Constitution of Madison, or is the alternative already certain?
   ALBERT J. KAUSCH
   Scotia  

  
  
  

The world and all the countries and cultures just need to make anything remotely resembling a religion or God, a nothing.......but, we would always come back to the question "What is the wisdom, rationale, foundation for anything we make as a 'civilized society'?"

Shariha Law is very moral. Most believe that it is the law that will keep society civil. The true Shariha believers, also believe that when Jesus returns He will set up His kingdom on earth with Shariha law. There are also some who believe Shariha law may be somewhat extreme, but feels it is necessary for a civil society. This link explains Shariha Law:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/08/top_ten_reasons_why_sharia_is.html

Mohommid Ali seemed to do ok.  Cat Stevens too-

Every religion believes passionatly that their's is the one and only true religion. I personally have no problem with that. I do have a problem with religions who teach and practice violence to control a society. And I believe that is what the Muslim religion teaches.  

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Every religion believes passionatly that their's is the one and only true religion. I personally have no problem with that. I do have a problem with religions who teach and practice violence to control a society. And I believe that is what the Muslim religion teaches.  

Remember what Mohammid Ali went to jail for ?  

YUP! And remember that he converted to the Islam religion. And Mohommed Ali was not his birth name either. And his conversion was by choice.

I disagree with forced conversion with any religion.

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YUP! And remember that he converted to the Islam religion. And Mohommed Ali was not his birth name either. And his conversion was by choice.

I disagree with forced conversion with any religion.

He went to jail because he didnt want to kill anybody he said it was against his faith -

There were many people, back then, who went to jail for their religious convictions. It was the Viet Nam era. And I really don't have the statistics to know how many Muslims actually lived in this country 40 years ago. I would guess that it was far less than there are today.

Why dont we ask the Beatles and the rest of the 'crowd' with their eastern religion 'studies'......sheeple like the 'shiny' things...

Cat Stevens is nothing more than a pot smoking, tree hugging, free lovin', if it feels good do it, left over hippie that tried every eastern religion know to man. Your basic nut case, if you will!!

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This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

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Cat Stevens is nothing more than a pot smoking, tree hugging, free lovin', if it feels good do it, left over hippie that tried every eastern religion know to man. Your basic nut case, if you will!!

My mistake- I should have left Cat Stevens out-

But Im making a point  tha Mohommad Ali as a Muslim  went to jail because he did not want to kill-

Although I have great respect for Mohammd Ali as a boxer, I find it hard to believe that in his violent profession,he didn't want to 'kill'? Perhaps he just joined the ranks back them and was just a plain old draft dodger with a different title. We'll never really know. So it is clearly speculation.

I certainly wouldn't use him as the plum line for the muslim religion.

I think Mike Tyson is Muslim now too-

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I think Mike Tyson is Muslim now too-

YUP, he is too. Another example of conversion to Islam.

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To coexist in peace, we must overcome cultural ignorance

   I have an answer to Albert Kausch’s question Oct. 28, “Can Muslims coexist with the rest of the world?” That question might well have been posed by many groups of people in the past, substituting just about any group name for Muslims: Christians, during the Crusades; Catholics during the Inquisition; white Americans during the time of segregation. The first people were probably asking that about Europeans when they first arrived in the Americas.
   The answer relies on each one of us as individuals. People with diverse ideas, religions and cultures have been able to coexist since the beginning of time. They do it by agreeing to respect their differences. Those who insist on converting others to their own ideas exist in a state of latent war.
   Mr. Kausch seems to be making the assumption that all Muslims are trying to make the rest of the world convert to Islam. I am sure that those people exist, just as I am sure that there are Christians who would like to convert everyone to Christianity, but none of the Muslims I have met think like that.
   Why would anyone kill other people who don’t think like they do? Fear and ignorance. Ignorance is often a result of poverty that prevents people from becoming educated. So how can each of us help rid the world of fear and ignorance? Learn about other cultures. Get to know people with ideas that differ from your own. If you have money, give to organizations that help dispel ignorance, such as the Central Asia Institute, which helps communities build their own schools so that they don’t have to rely on radical Islamist organizations to educate their children. Help rid the world of poverty and hunger, and promote gender equity by giving time or money to organizations like Habitat for Humanity or Heifer.
   Host a foreign exchange student, or encourage your school district to support those who do. The U.S. State Department provides scholarships to students from predominantly Muslim countries so that we can get to know each other. Invite those students to speak at your place of worship or school. Read to a child and encourage him to learn about the wider world. Take the high road. Be the good guy. We can coexist.
   ROBIN SCHNELL
   Scotia
The writer is a coordinator for AFS [American Field Service] Hosting.

  
  
  

Most of the world has a live and let live attitude toward other religions but it's the Muslims who seem to attack people of differing views.

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MUSLIMS-CAN THEY WITH WITH THE REST OF US?

They have made it very clear that they not only hate us, they want to take us over and kill us! They tried on 9/11....remember? The answer is clearly NO!

And please don't ask me to be tolerant of cultures that hate me and want to kill and destroy not only myself but my country. Amusing that WE are to be the tolerant ones when the muslims clearly do not want to tolerate US! So NO, they can't and won't live  with us or like us and NO, we can't and won't live with them or like them. They drew the line in the sand....we didn't! It was the muslims who made us choose sides!

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Letter about Muslims exposed writer’s bigotry

   Re Oct. 28 letter by Albert J. Kausch, “Can Muslims co-exist with rest of the world”: I think Mr. Kausch should take a good look at history.
   Christians seem to have the most problem with coexistence with the rest of the world. Adolf Hitler considered himself a Christian and so did the Kaiser. Let’s not forget the Crusades or the KKK. Genocidal regimes have often considered themselves Christian as well. There are Jews in Israel who believe that the Palestinians should be eliminated.
   I find Mr. Kausch’s statements to be bigoted and one-sided. Many of my neighbors are Muslim and proud Americans. Some of them are fighting in Iraq.
   Mr. Kausch needs to leave his bigotry at home and not espouse his stupidity in the newspapers.
   PAMELA HILDRETH
   Schenectady  

  
  
  

No different than the Roman Catholic church taking to heart the "...be fruitful and multiply" to heart.....and why they dont believe in contraceptive....

a very popular belief is...to keep peace, make more people like yourself.......just procreate untill there are more of 'you' and less of 'them'.......

if you ask me, that is a warriors attitude....and I am no soldier--I have a small family......

That's why the white folk are becoming extinct!! They will soon be the minority, if not already.

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That's why the white folk are becoming extinct!! They will soon be the minority, if not already.

I know your kidding- but be careful- that is part of the KKK doctrine.

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No different than the Roman Catholic church taking to heart the "...be fruitful and multiply" to heart.....and why they dont believe in contraceptive....

a very popular belief is...to keep peace, make more people like yourself.......just procreate untill there are more of 'you' and less of 'them'.......

if you ask me, that is a warriors attitude....and I am no soldier--I have a small family......

This is the quote I was referring to. And my answer was from government statistics. We are taling pro-creation here, hardly KKK!!!

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There are Jews in Israel who believe that the Palestinians should be eliminated.

  

But the leaders of Israel don't want Palestinians eliminated, unlike the leaders of Palestine, who don't even recongnize Israel as a nation.  Ahmadinejad(muslim), the leader of Iran actually gave speeches vowing to exterminate all the Jews.  Slight difference.

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Let’s not forget the Crusades or the KKK.

The Crusades were prior to the Reformation of the Catholic Church, I do believe the Muslim need to go through their own reformantion. I don't think you can compare a fringe group like the KKK, to nations like Iran and Sirya who indoctrinate their youth to hate Jews and Christians. They build their army's to someday wipe out Jews and Christians.

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Hitler considered himself a Christian and so did the Kaiser.

Hitler was raised Catholic, but in many speeches Hitler proclaimed his athiest view.  In one speech in particular he was even quoted saying "We do not want any other God than Germany itself."

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Mr. Kausch needs to leave his bigotry at home and not espouse his stupidity in the newspapers.

That's a nice open minded statement from Pamela.  I can't believe that the Gazette would print such crap from such an idiot.  Brad, good luck getting your letters to the editor published.  Brad's letters might be a little to sophisticated for the Gazette to publish.  

Pamela must be a Schenectady High grad.

I think Ali and Tyson are poor examples of Islam.  If they are what Islam is all about I don't think the religion can acclimate to our way of life.  Ali was a draft dodger and Tyson a rapist.  Poster boys for Islam? Keep it away from me.  It seems often in religion the depth of ones faith is measured by the current events and surroundings.  Ali, didn't want to kill, turn to Islam then pummel the brains out of his opponents for years to come.  Tyson, same thing, only with a twist of arrogance.

I think the root cause of the debate is fear.  I know I am afraid, look at the atrocities comitted around the world in the name of Islam.  My husband was a Marine at Camp Lajeune during the Iran Hostage Crisis in the late 70's.  Ever since then these people have been allowed to continue their systematic disposal of Christians, Americans, and non believers ever since.  The final straw was 9/11, for twenty minutes, but many have even pushed that horror or atrocity to the back of their mind.  Now we are back to being more concerned about hurting feelings and being politically correct then we are in defending our very way of life that these extremeists want to take from us.  I am VERY afraid that we as a nation don't have the backbone to keep our country.  I know there are many Islamic people who are good, hardworking, honorable people.  They aren't the ones I'm afraid of, but how do I tell the difference?

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Don’t call names, just get the facts right

   Pamela Hildreth’s Nov. 10 letter is the classic “if you don’t have a good argument, call your opponent names.”
   I refer to the original letter by Albert Kausch [Oct. 28], “Can Muslims co-exist with the rest of the world?” Ms. Hildreth claims that Christians “seem to have the most problem with coexistence with the rest of the world.” Is Ms. Hildreth blind to current events? She has to cite the Crusades, Adolph Hitler and the KKK as examples of Christians “behaving badly.” Those examples have nothing to do with today’s modern-day radical Islamic Jihadist — who want to, by force, convert the rest of us to their religious ideology.
   The Crusades, which began nearly 1,000 years ago and lasted for two centuries, was the Christian response to the Muslim Turks’ capture of Jerusalem and the slaughter of 3,000 Christians. It was a religious war fought by two opposing religious ideologies. Hitler, on the other hand, was a fascist. His rampage through Europe, and the extermination of the Jews, were for political, social, and economic reasons — not religious reasons.
   Islamists may represent only a small fraction of the Muslim world, but they are well financed, fanatical and tolerated by even moderate Muslims. They want to destroy the United States and convert Westerners to Islam. These Islamists are the least tolerant people on earth.
   All the unrest in the world today involves radical Islam: The Philippines, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Western Europe — including Great Britain. We’ve been attacked right here at home by those same people. They tolerate no one.
   Can a Christian practice his/her religion openly in Saudi Arabia? How about Iran or Pakistan? The answer is no. Can a Muslim practice his/her religion openly in the United States or Europe? The answer is a resounding yes! So who is the more tolerant?
   STEVEN ESPOSITO
   Ballston Spa

  
  
  

Excellent article Steve-o!!!

Wasn't Hitler a Catholic Jew.....I think Power/control would sum up his Dogma from his twisted mind/soul......

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Wasn't Hitler a Catholic Jew.....I think Power/control would sum up his Dogma from his twisted mind/soul......

The root cause of muslim hatrid that is thier view of  Israeli-Jews as Pigs or dogs and need to be killed.  We must try to understand their religion and their beliefs.  You cannot understand this hate unless you understand that the fact that Israel's existence, proves the Muslims religion to be incorrect and proves Mohammed to be a false Prophet. The Muslim's have only two choices, One; at all coast they must destroy Israel; or two; they can change there beliefs. Which do you think they will chose? And where will that choice Lead the world too?

Funny- I didnt quite get this info on TV

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Funny- I didnt quite get this info on TV

You don't have to get this from TV, you can get it from the Bible.
Abraham had a son with Sarah's maid servant. He was Ismael (the one that the Muslim religion is based).
Abraham and Sarah had a son. He was Isaac(the one that the Jewish religion is based).
The Jews believe the land of Israel was given to Isaac, so it is their entitlement.
The Muslims believe the land of Israel was given to Ismael, so it was their entitlement.
And they have been at war with each other ever since, as prophesized!

The other sickos such as Hitler were just plain evil, but not part of the original scenerio.

JoAnn-

I am posting your comment in the Schenectady forum thread Muslims-
Thank you for a resposne without  a hidden  political  agenda-

When you take it out of the religious content, it can only be political.

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And where will that choice Lead the world too?

Armagedon of course!

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Sudanese protesters demand British teacher be executed
BY MOHAMED OSMAN The Associated Press

   KHARTOUM, Sudan — Thousands of Sudanese, many armed with clubs and swords and beating drums, burned pictures of a British teacher Friday and demanded her execution for insulting Islam by letting her students name a teddy bear Muhammad.
   Sudan’s Islamic government, which has long whipped up anti-Western, Muslim hard-line sentiment at home, was balancing between fueling outrage over the case of Gillian Gibbons and containing it.
   The government does not want to seriously damage ties with Britain, but the show of anger underlines its stance that Sudanese oppose Western interference, lawyers and political foes said. The uproar comes as the U.N. is accusing Sudan of dragging its feet on the deployment of peacekeepers in the war-torn Darfur region.
   Many in the protesting crowd shouted “Kill her! Kill her by fi ring squad!”
   In response to the rally in central Khartoum, Gibbons was moved from the women’s prison across the Nile in Oumdurman to a secret location, her chief lawyer Kamal al-Gizouli told the Associated Press. He said he visited her there to discuss her conviction Thursday on charges of insulting Islam.
   The 54-year-old Gibbons, who was sentenced to 15 days in jail, spoke Friday with her son John and daughter Jessica in Britain by telephone.
   “One of the things my mum said today was that I don’t want any resentment towards Muslims,” the son told AP. “She’s holding up quite well.”
   Despite the fervor of the protest, the rest of Khartoum was quiet. The rally was far smaller than February 2006 protests held with government backing after European newspapers ran caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad, suggesting popular anger over Gibbons did not run as deep.
   In their mosque sermons Friday, several Muslim clerics harshly denounced Gibbons, saying she had intentionally insulted the prophet, but they did not call for protests and said the punishment ordered by the court was sufficient.
   Still, after prayers, several thousand people converged on Khartoum’s Martyrs Square, near the presidential palace, and began calling for Gibbons’ execution. Many seemed to be from Sufi groups, religious sects that emphasize reverence for the prophet.
   Some angrily denounced the teacher, but others smiled as they beat drums and burned newspapers with Gibbons’ picture, waving swords and clubs and green banners, the color of Islam.
   Chants of “Kill her!” and “No tolerance: Execution!” rang out as hundreds of police in riot gear stood by, keeping the crowd contained but not moving against the rally.
   Protesters dismissed Gibbons’ claims that she didn’t mean to insult the prophet.
   “It is a premeditated action, and this unbeliever thinks that she can fool us?” said Yassin Mubarak, a young dreadlocked man swathed in green and carrying a sword. “What she did requires her life to be taken.”
   Several hundred protesters marched to Unity High School, where Gibbons worked, and chanted outside briefly before heading toward the nearby British Embassy. They were stopped by security forces two blocks from the embassy. The protest dispersed after an hour.
   “I would like to tell the whole world that what happened here from this English teacher is not acceptable to us,” said a protester, Sheikh Nasser Abu Shamah.
   There was no overt sign that the government organized the protest, but such a public rally could not have taken place without at least official assent.
   Gibbons was sentenced Thursday to 15 days in jail and deportation for insulting Islam with the naming of the teddy bear, which was part of a class project for her 7-year-old students at the private school.
   She escaped harsher punishment that could have included up to 40 lashes, six months in prison and a fine. Her time in jail since her arrest Sunday counts toward the sentence.

ABD RAOUF/THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Sudanese protesters hold a newspaper carrying a photo of British teacher Gillian Gibbons during a protest in Khartoum on Friday. The protesters called for the execution of Gibbons, who was convicted of insulting Islam for letting her students name a teddy bear Muhammad.

I wonder what they think of Muhammad ali??? or the rest of the Muhammads around the world......I also knew someone named Jesus

That's what happens when we make dead people so important that it makes us blood thirsty.......God said vengence is mine......

If we have to actually defend our all powerful religion(each dogma teaches) then it is not that powerful and our faith is dirt-----GOD DOES NOT NEED DEFENDING BY US.....