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“They were looking for someone they thought would be easy to prey upon,” he said.

That is the definition of a predator...now what do we do with them??

no different with the 'sex offender/predator' issue.......we all get to share the burden.....what are the laws of judgement and punishment....who is making them and who is upholding them????

---we can build nursing homes(to keep the elderly-we dont even know the age delination-safe), we can build 'institutions' and strong communities(to keep our kids safe,although if you are 18 and raped what is the difference witht the age), or we can build bigger jails and actually have punishment to fit the crime..........

society will only dole out punishment as it sees it will affect them if they were in the 'predators' shoes........what is our plumb line.....does it depend on who commits the crime and who is the victim of the crime.......

there are predators/victims EVERYWHERE....just look at the subprime problem......what are we doing???

The only reason to make the penalty's stricter for attacks on the elderly is because the elderly are singled out by these animals because they can't fight back and defend themselves against these cowards. I also agree that all violent crimes should have severe penalty's as apposed to non violent crimes.

Quoted from Shadow

The only reason to make the penalty's stricter for attacks on the elderly is because the elderly are singled out by these animals because they can't fight back and defend themselves against these cowards. I also agree that all violent crimes should have severe penalty's as apposed to non violent crimes.

Who gets to pick the age of 'elderly'??? is it the age we can collect SS?? is it the official time that one retires?? what/who makes that determination?? I know let's have Hollywood determine the age.......

according to the EOE law....there is no discrimination on age, race, sexual orientation etc.....does this not apply to folks who get 'attacked' by our crazies......I dont care how old you are,,,,equal process(EOE for the justice system?) and equal punishment for your attacker.....

Not to mention what about all those folks who finding aging just horrible....they go for botox, hair color, plastic surgery, creams, lotions, all kinds of 'anti-aging' products etc.......(I am not leaving myself out of this group), but I do find it to be a double standard in our society.....if we allow Granny's Law, society as a whole is saying --"you are now officially a liablility and cant do anything for yourself".....

which leads to the next step of 'institution for protection'.......

Quoted from Shadow

The only reason to make the penalty's stricter for attacks on the elderly is because the elderly are singled out by these animals because they can't fight back and defend themselves against these cowards. I also agree that all violent crimes should have severe penalty's as apposed to non violent crimes.

I second that, Shadow.  And remember, there's certain laws that are there to protect our children, too.  Should we throw those out?  It's about the same reason as the elderly, with not being able to defend themselves.  I know it's not exactly the same, but a pedofile going after a 3-4 year old is going to have as much problem convincing the child that it's ok as a early 20's couple of ladies who decide to take out their punishment on an elderly lady who, as I would suspect but I don't know how things actually happened, they probably snuck up on and she didn't even know they were around her until she was already on the ground.

If it was an 18 year old boy/girl that was attacked for their credit card should that punishment be less.....the victim is the victim....the perp is the perp.....I'm sure The guys from the Rolling Stones would find it difficult to be called 'elderly'...... or how about Mr.Rumsfeld--how old is he??.....truely we dont need to have the government up our butt anymore.....just put the perps away---across the board......just as we protect our children(sometimes) is just as we should protect our elderly.....these should just be a 'normal' state of a society with the punishment for those who transgress this 'state' going across the board for everyone alike.....

How about hiring security guards for all that senior housing and MFRH....but, then this leads to 'policing' outside the jails....just like the sex offender laws.....I dont get it....did we run out of room....get soft...what??? We have lost our foundation to 'grow' our posterity and liberty in...

both perps/offenders are disgusting....but a victim of a crime is a victim of a crime....I dont want to hear the argument about Buster's Law either.....

we have come to the point of having so many irrational/foundationless thinking that now the school of thought is(corporate/govenment down to the street gangs), find out if it is illegal,if there is no law against it then it must be okay.......what the heck is wrong with us.....

the room that we are wallpapering with laws is shrinking very fast....we better take a breath now before we suffocate....

"....I have come to give them life abundant..."

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Main Entry: pred·a·tor  
Pronunciation: 'pre-d&-t&r, -"tor
Function: noun
1 : one that preys, destroys, or devours
2 : an animal that lives by predation

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Main Entry: 1prey
Pronunciation: 'prA
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural prey also preys
Etymology: Middle English preie, from Anglo-French, from Latin praeda; akin to Latin prehendere to grasp, seize -- more at GET
1 archaic : SPOIL, BOOTY
2 a : an animal taken by a predator as food b : one that is helpless or unable to resist attack : VICTIM
3 : the act or habit of preying

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Main Entry: 2prey
Function: intransitive verb
Inflected Form(s): preyed; prey·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French preier, from Latin praedari, from praeda
1 : to make raids for the sake of booty
2 a : to seize and devour prey b : to commit violence or robbery or fraud
3 : to have an injurious, destructive, or wasting effect
- prey·er noun

so does society say---"good, now we are safe"......????

Bumble, I won't hammer you, I understand where you're coming from, but I tend to lean towards something more toward a granny law.  Most definitely I see your point about what age would fit the definition.  I don't know how old the woman was, but I saw a report on CNN early this week about some elderly woman who went chasing after the purse snatcher to grabbed her purse too, while in a supermarket parking lot.  All he got was three dollars, and in the end the woman gave him the three dollars.  And not all elderly are the same.  Most of us, no, I'm sure all of us, lock our doors at night, probably have deadbolts, only have upstairs windows open for sleeping, and some of us have security systems.  Most of us will look out the window before opening the door upon the ringing of the doorbell when not expecting someone.  Or at least our storm door is locked so we can talk through the door.  I have relatives in their 80's who are sharp enough to know enough to lock their doors and take other preventive measures.  But likewise I have relatives in their 70's and 80's who seem to think it's the 1950's and dont' check the door before going to bed.  My neighbor has an elderly mother living with them and the mom will open the door to anyone.  He told me he has tried to tell his mother that some people at the door might be thieves and I wish I could tape the audio of his explaining how his mother says "AAAAGGGGGHHHH NAAAAWWW" as she continues to go to the door.  He was considering trying to find an older fashion deadbolt where you need a key to open it on the inside as well, but that would prevent his mother from getting out in an emergency or from letting responders in.  His mother (and many others like her) wouldn't think twice while shopping to have their purse in the cart while they turn away to reach something on the shelf or read some labels with their back turned.  If one of my parents was a victim like this 88 yr old, I don't think either could react.  They most certainly couldn't fight back, even if they carried a thing of mace, they probably wouldn't have the mental capacity to react quickly enough to grab it from a pocket.  Someone comes up to me, I just might kick them in the front of where the sun doesn't shine (especially to a male, ouch, no, OUCH!!!!!!!!!).  Therefore it is for that very reason, their inability to fight back, and their general inability to even react quickly to get that can of mace, or get a good look at the thief, or to look at the car license plate and model, that many of these thieves will prey particularly on the elderly.  I'll bet you there's a lot more thieves standing outside banks on the 3rd of each month than on the 1st of each month (the elderly on SS get their checks on the 3rd, while the young lazy do-nothings with imaginary disabilibies get their SSI checks on the 1st).

But I do agree with you that determining the age would be difficult because everyone is different.  There are indeed sharp minded 80+ ages who go to the gym and work out every day but there are senile brittle boned 65 year olds.

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I know it's not exactly the same, but a pedofile going after a 3-4 year old is going to have as much problem convincing the child that it's ok as a early 20's couple of ladies .

Big k, did you goof here.  Pedophiles entice kids with candy and toys that they, the kids, find hard to resist.   The 20 yr olds aren't pushovers and that's why sex offenders will be happy to look for kids

heck,,,we could always go the 'gated community' way.....although according to some folks in town that is what Rotterdam is supposed to be,,,only the 'gates' are the police officers,who are only as effective as the courts/judges and the room in the jails......


watch the semantics from this incident

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Main Entry: se·man·tics  
Pronunciation: \si-ˈman-tiks\
Function: noun plural but singular or plural in construction
Date: 1893
1: the study of meanings: a: the historical and psychological study and the classification of changes in the signification of words or forms viewed as factors in linguistic development b (1): semiotic (2): a branch of semiotic dealing with the relations between signs and what they refer to and including theories of denotation, extension, naming, and truth
2: general semantics
3 a: the meaning or relationship of meanings of a sign or set of signs; especially : connotative meaning b: the language used (as in advertising or political propaganda) to achieve a desired effect on an audience especially through the use of words with novel or dual meanings

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Big k, did you goof here.  Pedophiles entice kids with candy and toys that they, the kids, find hard to resist.   The 20 yr olds aren't pushovers and that's why sex offenders will be happy to look for kids

have you watched MTV lately???

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CAPITOL
Report: Boomers to place strain on cities
Cash-strapped communities will face tough choices
BY MICHAEL HILL The Associated Press

   Aging baby boomers in upstate New York will likely place a concentrated demand for services in cities and older suburbs already facing financial challenges, according to a Federal Reserve report released Tuesday.
   The 65-and-older population is projected to increase by 40 percent in upstate areas from 2005 to 2030 — part of a national trend that is expected to increase the need for government-aided services ranging from health care to social welfare programs, particularly in and around the region’s largest cities, the Buffalo branch of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York reported.
   “In upstate New York, high-needs seniors tend to be concentrated in metropolitan areas, cities and suburbs with sluggish economic and population growth,” according to the report.    The four major metropolitan areas upstate — Albany, Buffalo, Rochester and Syracuse — each reported a higher percentage of older residents in the 2000 census than the national average. Demographers who have studied the trend believe it reflects an aging population coupled with a “brain drain” of younger residents to other parts of the country.
   The Fed report notes that those metropolitan areas also have a rela- tively high concentration of older adults likely to rely on services — that is, seniors who are either disabled, poor, living alone or older than 74.    Looking at where seniors live in upstate New York, researchers found that older suburbs, which experienced most of their growth before 1960, have the highest percentage of people aged 65 and older: 18.2 percent in the 2000 census. The study suggests this is because families with children tend to settle in newer suburbs farther from city centers. While the region’s cities have a lower concentration of seniors — 12.3 percent — they still have a relatively high proportion of highneeds seniors, according to the report.
   The Fed researchers said that having to increase senior care could be a challenge in those older suburbs and inner cities because many of the areas already face an eroding tax base and infrastructure in need of repairs.
   “In many upstate New York communities, where the increasing demand for services and infrastructure takes place in an environment of fiscal stress, local governments will likely face difficult decisions,” according to the report.    Bill Ferris, New York state lobbyist for the AARP, said the Fed study did a good job sketching out the challenges government faces in the future. He added that any remedy — be it tax credits or respite care — would need to address the spouses, children and other caregivers who provide the majority of senior care.
   “There needs to be a focus on the individuals who provide the majority of long-term care services in the state, and that’s the family caregiver,” Ferris said.  

http://www.aarp.org/issues/

I couldn't find a specific definition for 'elderly'

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Big k, did you goof here.  Pedophiles entice kids with candy and toys that they, the kids, find hard to resist.   The 20 yr olds aren't pushovers and that's why sex offenders will be happy to look for kids

To clarify, this is a comparison that I will more clearly split up.
but A) a pedofile going after a 3-4 year old is going to have as much problem convincing the child that it's ok

as a B)early 20's couple of ladies who decide to take out their punishment on an elderly lady ...

Is that more clear?

either way it is scum that is out on the street......